What happens when a school bans smartphones? A complete transformation | US education | The Guardian::Teachers say mobile phones make their lives a living hell – so one Massachusetts school barred them

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[–] 82 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Don't all schools ban phones? They were banned when I was in highschool maybe ten years ago. And smartphones were already very much a thing by that point. Everyone still used them because enforcement was basically impossible.

The only teacher I ever saw who had an effective strategy was my math teacher. He told kids to put their phones on their desk at the beginning of class so that they were out in the open. If he found out you had come to class with a phone and didn't put it on the desk, you'd lose it, even if you weren't using it. And then he said you could use them for a few seconds to check them, but you had to keep them out in the open. No hiding the phone by your legs.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    "Back in my day" (when phones were not that smart but already had color screens and crappy cameras) the teacher would seize your phone if you dared to take it out of your pocket or if it even did as much as vibrate. Not sure why kids would need to check their phone during class nowadays.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    I think we’re from the same day. I’m pretty goddamn glad, honestly. I’ve seen how much the phone has invaded my life, and I’m on the lowest scale of intrusion. I typically find myself out with a group of people all on their phones. It feels weird and gross. I could see how that constant attachment could be such a problem for teachers today, even if they were banned. It’s almost automatic, when someone gets bored or distracted, their hand is already in their pocket pulling out the phone.

    We had texting, but the smart phone was invented the year I graduated high school. So really even my college years weren’t really tainted by constant phone use. We were really lucky for that reason, I hink.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's how most teachers in my school operated, and it meant people were constantly screwing around on their phones and not paying attention, because it was an unenforceable policy. Like I said, the only teacher I ever had who effectively prevented people from screwing around on their phones excessively was that math teacher.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    Definitely depends on the school and where you live, but in my experience the rules have become really loose. Every kid has a phone and mobile data. They're banned in class but kids always try to open their phones to check them and hide them quickly anyways. Many kids spend breaks on their phone. Banning kids from coming into school with phones in their first place is what the article means.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    My local school has a simple system. Every student is required to place their phones in a clear plastic similar to this - []https://www.amazon.com/Gorilla-Grip-Breathable-Organizer-Accessories/dp/B09MJH9V2V/ref=sr_1_6?crid=1X4FP5L6YX60T&keywords=hanging%2Bshoe%2Bcaddy&sprefix=hanging%2Bshoe%2Bcaddy%2Caps%2C239&sr=8-6&th=1 - hanging right next to the door. The pockets are transparent so the teacher can quickly see if everyone has done so and they are cheap.

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Today my computer science teacher asked a friend of mine to show his screentime statistics as a joke. Bro literally spent an average of +11h A DAY on his phone...

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Smartphones and apps are scientifically designed to be addictive. The same techniques that make people spend hours at slot machines goes into modern games.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Are you saying the app I'm using to browse Lemmy is scientifically designed to be addictive?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I was curious so I looked at mine, it isn't accurate, it says 10 hours 22 minutes average, but it says 7 of that is gaming, there's no way i spend 7 hours of gaming, maybe an hour max a day because the only game I play is ants fallen kingdom which doesn't require much active tike, just enough time to do dailies so 45 mins? , I'm on social media a hell of a lot more then gaming but my social is only at roughly 2 hours. I don't think you can rely on it lol

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Jesus. I’m at just above two hours for my weekly average. It used to be 8-10 hours daily when I had a job where I had to leave my house, go into an office, and not do any work. Now that I do the same thing but from home, I don’t need to use my phone as much.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago

    I went to school right at the time where Smartphones become popular and at the beginning most either had no phone or a basic featurephone and in the end almost everyone had a smartphone. And I think the impact was very minimal. School sucked regardless. People were bullied regardless. Some had really short attention spans regardless.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago

    Having lived my whole life in the Information Age, I am 100% in support of this.

    Problem with the digital world is it's all fake, it's all bullshit. It's only anything at all because we're here. But like everything, it comes with a cost.

    During the brain formation years, the brain should get opportunity to form both with and without it, so the maximum number of possible capabilities are preserved for future access.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Crazy how people otherwise firm supporters of freedom of speech and freedom of tech suddenly change their minds when the person involved is under 18.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Are you unfamiliar with the principal that things which are appropriate for adults are often not appropriate for children?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    According to the United States, it's appropriate to imprison children for delinquency that is things that are criminal for children that are not criminal for adults.

    So no, I have little faith regarding what my society decides is right for kids.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I have no idea who you got from what I said to what you said, and I don't want to.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    The notion that some things may be inappropriate for kids is easly misused when it's turned into a principle and as such we end up where the US is now, withholding civil rights from children and using child safety to push identity politics.

    I do hope you are not a parent.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    You actually hit it right in the nail. What actually works is talking to them like thinking, rational human beings, explain the situation and then be a mature adult and understand that they will have to make their own choices and there is nothing you can do about it.

    Ideally we should be teaching self-control instead of submission and evasion. A lot of what's going on in the world stems from this tendency.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    For enclosed schools, it surprises me they don't just faraday cage all the rooms, and then run school-controlled wifi.

    But in my day, teachers freaked out about electronic calculators and word processors. I'd think the appropriate thing to do is integrate smart-phone use into curricula. If your kids are texting, then your teaching model sucks.

    But here in the states, we already know our teaching model sucks, because the state doesn't take it seriously and gives zero fucks about kids until they can be loaded with debt and can serve as a laborer or soldier for billionaire vanity projects.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I sure you arent being serious, but farday caging the rooms would likely be highly illegal, blocking emergency cell calls and other emergency signals (like radio and gps) is a big ol no no.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    Faraday cages are fine. It's just never worth the expense.

    It's frequency jammers and active blockers which break the law in a massive way.

    The reason being you can control the area a Faraday cage encapsulates. A signal jammer that has any decent effect has to also affect outside the area. Big no

    Plenty of buildings are accidentally faraday cages for certain frequencies.

    Emergency services have training for buildings with poor signals and it's as simple as putting repeaters down as you progress from outside to inside.

    Jammers are much less simple to work around.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    I watched the first generation that got personal unrestricted mobile phones for themselves. Somehow I thought it was a good idea at the time. It fucked them up mentally, and then Covid-19 came and doubled the effect.

    Now I think that a parent who gets their under 12 year old kid a smart phone should be treated roughly in the same way as if the parent gave the kid cocaine.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We got an iPhone for my niece who is 8. It’s locked down so all she can do is text, call, and take pictures/video and she can’t contact anyone not in her contacts list. She has some games but can’t use them for more than an hour per day and they won’t open during school hours.

    A big issue is parents not bothering to learn how to use and set up parental controls.

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    [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Anyone and everyone can benefit from putting away their smartphone, not just students.

    Off topic, but when were the photos of these students taken? Their clothing and hair looks like they came straight out of the 90s. Even some of the photos themselves looks "film-like".

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The 90s are in rn. All my friends kids have nirvana shirts and such.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Official government recommendation for Dutch school is to ban smartphones in class. For now it's just an advice, but it may become law in the future.

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