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[–] 235 points 2 years ago (4 children)

“Three out of four of the cable and broadband customers who called to cancel end up retaining some or all service after speaking with an agent.”

Because threatening to leave is the only way to get a half-decent price?

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  • [+] 60 points 2 years ago (2 children)
  • [–] 42 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The point is that it's extremely common practice to call your ISP and tell them you're cancelling so they'll send you to Retentions and you can get a few more months at "50% off" (a reasonable price). This would be included in those "3/4 people stay", but those were never actually going to cancel anyway, they only say they are so they don't have to pay the insanely inflated sticker price.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago*

    i've worked at a call center years ago on the retentions dep. of some mobile internet provider. after learning of such trickery, i'll fucking tell everyone that will listen "hey mate, you've got a internet/telephone/cable tv subscription? are you in the "fidelity" period? (yeah that shit is a thing here...) ok so listen, AS SOON AS a second passes from the end of the period, this is how you get the actual decent price for service..."

    some people had to stop me on my track several times because i was repeating myself to them (forgot who i'd already told about it) because i must make sure everyone knows

    been doing it all these years

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Yep that’s Comcast. You have to call annually and threaten to cancel to get a semi reasonable price for cable and/or internet.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    I've been with all three major Canadian ISPs and it's the same everywhere. Like clockwork, once a year you call them. You could say "I'm looking to cancel" but at this point they all know why you're calling, don't waste anyone's time, just ask "hey could you please transfer me to Retention" and they'll be glad not to have go through the song and dance. Retention picks up, immediately offers you a bad deal because it's protocol, you reject it because you never take the first deal, they offer you a better deal, you take it, job done. Easier than changing, cancelling, or paying for something, by far.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I have never gotten a better price by threatening to cancel. I was instead told to cancel and signup again in a year or two so I could qualify for "new customer" pricing. There is no reward for loyalty with Telcos.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    I imagine it depends on the availability of viable competition in the area. In many areas of the US, there is only one ISP available to customers, so when people threaten to cancel, they know that most of them are bluffing.

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    [–] 117 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    NordVPN literally will not let me delete my account. My 3 years is over, there is no method to delete when signed in to their site. You have to fill out a form with your payment details and shit to "verify your identity" (who remembers that shit from 3 years ago).

    Literally emailed from the email associated with the account, called, logged in, etc. they won't delete it until I send my credit card info in the clear, over insecure email.

    FUCK NORDVPN

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    What prevents you from revoking your payment mandate at your bank?

    In Europe at least, your bank must honor this request and there's nothing your debtor can do about except spending 1000's to recover at most 3 months of payments with the current legal apparatus in Europe.

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    [–] 101 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Fuck them. Next force gyms and newspapers to allow you to cancel with one click.

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  • [–] 55 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Or just force all subscriptions to allow you to cancel with one click

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  • [–] 83 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    By law, anything should be a one click to cancel service, instead of the maze they send you through.

    Xbox live, gyms, etc.

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  • [–] 55 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Or, it should be exactly as difficult/complicated to cancel as to sign in. Want a 15-step cancellation process involving phones, faxes and a blood offering? Gotta require all that to sign up too!

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago*

    I think a "let the world burn" approach to consumer agreements, like EULAs and cable TV contracts, would be interesting.

    Require users to fully read every word of the contract out loud, on video, 4 times for everything they agree to.

    "But it would take too long if consumers had to read our 23 page contract, they'd just give up and not sign up at all!!1"

    Hmm, let's think about that...

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    German consumer protection FTW

    The Fair Consumer Contracts Act will in future introduce a mandatory 2-step termination process […]. Wherever the consumer can conclude a subscription contract against payment, the provider should also give the consumer the opportunity to terminate at the same point. […A] cancellation button should be included on such registration pages for memberships at the first stage (with the wording “Cancel contracts here”). This “first” cancellation button should then lead to a confirmation page on the second level, where the respective user is identified and the consumer can effectively send the cancellation (i.e. with the wording “Cancel now”).

    The law (German): https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bgb/__312k.html

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    [–] 83 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We Shouldn’t Have to Let Users enroll Service With a Click. Customers may “misunderstand the consequences of enrolling,”

    Sounds ridiculous? Because it is. Clicking the cancel or enroll button is pretty much what you expect... This is utter nonsense, obviously.

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  • [–] 68 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    God, hearing them squirm is almost making me horny. Please keep them groveling at the feet of the FTC. I reallllly wouldn't mind hearing this for a few years at least.

    ...Funny how whenever Republicans are in power, we get dickheads like Ajit Pai do absolutely nothing, arging that his hands are tied. But when democrats get voted in, the FTC starts drafting rules like being able to cancel a bill with a single click instead of fighting on the phone for 3½ hours with a bullshit sales rep until you have to threaten to sue them in order to cancel your internet or cable package. It's really funny how that works.

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  • [–] 58 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The one thing where I agree with cable companies about is the risk to consumers accidentally canceling all or multiple services when they intend to just cancel one. It will be hard to explain that a package price will no longer apply if one part of the package is canceled.

    However- it can be addressed with a well-designed cancelation instruction screen. This is a constraint to the communication and process design; it is not an insurmountable barrier like the cable companies are suggesting.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    As a software developer who only has business customers, let me tell you the following:
    No matter how foolproof your system might seem. It never truly is. There is always some idiot (sometimes with a degree) who just can't understand/use it.

    But they could still try and mostly succeed. They just don't want to.

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    [–] 56 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    When I was younger I remember buying credit cards with a set balance on them to pay for subscriptions that seemed shady.

    If cancelling was anything except convenient, I'd just use up the balance on my next trip to the grocery store, then shred the fucker and forget about it. Company XYZ could then have fun trying to bleed a rock.

    Only downside is that was a pain in the ass too, but at least kept the control in my hands.

    Wondering if any banks have a way to set this up as a kind of partition on your account? Never looked into that approach but it seems like such an obvious solution.

    Anyone got tips for this kind of thing?

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Privacy.com is literally the digital equivalent of what you were talking about. As for bank services, I don't know that I have heard of any personally.

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    [–] 40 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Log in

    Modify/Cancel services:

    Do you wish to add, remove, or view your current services?

    [Remove]

    Here is a list of your current services. Check the box for each service you want to remove

    [List, with a select all button, and a clear button]

    [Remove selected]

    You are about to remove the following services. Please confirm

    [List, confirm button, take me back button]

    A confirmation email of these changes has been sent to your email on file. Please allow 48 hours for changes to apply.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    What consequences don't I understand? Like not having cable?

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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago

    Subscription-based services already change the agreement of a transaction too much in favor of the provider, because it goes from "convince me that your product is good enough to go through the hassle of obtaining it" to "convince me that your product is bad enough to go through the hassle of cancelling it". It is only fair to try to tilt it in favor of the consumer as much as possible.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    there should be a button on the remote control dedicated to ending your service

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    Yes you fucking should

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