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[–] 314 points 2 years ago (19 children)

never give a corporation your labour for free.

People should have known this from the beginning.

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  • [–] 241 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    These volunteers didn't think about it in these terms.
    They gave away their work for free to help people learn languages, and for a long time Duolingo seemed like the best platform for that.

    Starting your own platform is much more difficult than contributing to an existing one that seems to be operated with some amount of goodwill...

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    [–] 254 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    New life lesson: never volunteer for a for-profit company.

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  • [–] 62 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    People who keep trying to do Socialism in a Capitalist system are doomed to fail, because Socialism produces enormous surpluses and Capitalists love to just gobble that shit up.

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  • [–] 103 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "If peoples basic needs were met nobody would work!"

    People "work" all the time of their own accord, we just call it volunteering instead of "work." People love saying "I don't want to work," but really what they mean is "I don't want my economic output stolen from me by my employer while what's left is stolen by ever increasing prices with no wage adjustment to compensate."

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  • [–] 51 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    People “work” all the time of their own accord, we just call it volunteering instead of “work.”

    Never even mind volunteering. $50B/year in wage theft in this country. People contract to do labor and then their bosses simply short them. Back in 2019 a coal company attempted to close a mine without paying over $1M in back wages. The workers shut down the rail out of the money and seized the coal until they were made whole.

    Wish more folks who got fleeced by DuoLingo had the gumption to do something similar.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    Make sure to put anything you want public under the correct license. If a platform doesn't support CC or GPL or MIT, then leave.

    EDIT: Or Apache, or IDGAF, of course. ;) But what I would really want is a license that forces your content to remain free, even if used in something else. Basically copyleft: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/copyleft.html

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    [–] 239 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Never ever ever ever ever give your work for free to a startup unless it's running under an open source model that guarantees even if they do go public, all that work remains openly available to everyone!

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  • [–] 163 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    That's right, never trust a private company that might go public in the future.

    That's why you should build your communities on Discord instead. 🤡

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  • [–] 136 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    That shit is the most infuriating thing ever to me. It seems like so many technical discussions and communities are going to Discord now where that information is not indexed or preserved. How many issues have I had where the answer was sitting on a Discord server that will never appear in any general search result?

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I’ve tried to use discord before but it seems just kinda… awful. It’s essentially a single uninterrupted, general purpose comment chain about a singular topic. It’s a forum meet twitter but worse than either?

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago

    Yea that's cause originally it was just meant to be gamer friends voice chatting and text chatting with each other. They build all the other features on top of what they had originally so it's terrible as a reddit/social media alternative.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    Yeah. I've come to believe the problem isn't Discord itself but how people use it. But I totally get your point. So many niche communities. I had to make a Discord account and then someone just fucking answers "!faq" and a bot pastes the answer. Why was that not on their GitHub page? It is what it is.

    A Discord server can be created in seconds and can easily have everything they need. I get why they turn to it but it sucks.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Why discord? Everything on it will be lost without exception. Fuck discord.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago

    It's why they put the clown face emoji at the end. Discord sucks so hard for finding information. The number of interesting projects that exclusively use Discord for their documentation is astounding and frustrating as hell.

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    [–] 151 points 2 years ago* (10 children)

    This has been going on for decades. CDDB, IMDB, Redhat.

    Anything you volunteer for will be monetized and you will get cut off from your own contributions.

    Even here on Lemmy people post Twitter images and Reddit reader apps which only helps those platforms retain mindshare even if they aren't directly profiting with ads.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Google has a volunteer program to make their AI better. Fucking one of the biggest corporations in the world asking for free labor and apparently people do it?

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This is a bit of "no true Scotsman" fallacy. If something you volunteer for hasn't been monetized you can always say 'yet'

    FOSS is something people volunteer for and it mostly doesn't get monetized and cut off. Sometimes this means that the original is cut off but a fork lives on, so I would rather say that volunteering for a closed product is dangerous in that regard, not volunteering forany product

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    [–] 144 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Anyone who has a passion for open source and wants to learn Spanish should check out LibreLingo! It's also a nice project for people who want to contribute to something that is not owned by a company, though it's a bit too early for contributors who have language skills but no coding experience.

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    [–] 98 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    And here I am just pissed that Duolingo keeps overhauling their whole program. Like, in less than 2 years time, they've had 3 different versions of the website and of course it wipes out all of your progress and approximates where you may be in their new system. Except the latest. The latest update just wipes all your shit out and says "good luck fuckface!" I've become less and less a fan of Duo over the last 4 years and yeah, not gonna do the AI thing with it anymore. Sari can go on vacation with my one-eyed dog named Max and eat cheese sandwiches for all I care.

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    [–] 80 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yea it's become highly enshittified and actively punishes users that don't subscribe. Fuckers.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago* (16 children)

    Can't speak for the entshitification but actively punished unsubscribed users?

    I've been using it for two months, learning Germans, I just use Firefox in android instead of the app and I get no ads, only 5 failures but I rarely reach that on a daily basis (I don't want to burnout and I'm pretty sure it's better for learning to not go too fast) and if I ever reach it, I currently have 1k gems. I'm actually surprised at how little use I'd get out of the subscription.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I used Duo pretty solid for two or three years - ended up subscribing to it.

    The benefits were negligible - the biggest thing for me was offline play. I used to do a lot of air travel, so the ability to cover a subject or two was super helpful.

    The streak freeze was the only other real "bonus" for those who game a shit about it. I started to get quite protective of it when it reached four figures, but I kicked it into touch when I wasn't learning much more than vocabulary. Duo is fantastic for getting a foothold on a language, but it only gets you through the first two or three exchanges of a conversation.

    I enjoyed my time with the owl though.

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  • [–] 70 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    I'm contributing to openstreetmap because I think there should be a free alternative to Google or Apple maps.

    Am I running the risk of having my contributions stolen?

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    OSM is run by a foundation - https://www.openstreetmap.org/about

    This makes it a lot more difficult to cock it up compared to a shareholder run company.

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    [–] 47 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    I still had the app installed on my iPhone because I wanted to learn a new language a few years back. Just recently checked their App Store page and saw extensive data collection, monthly subscriptions and some kind of “gem” currency. Immediately deleted.

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    [–] 28 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Any advice for an alternative for Japanese learning? I am on a two week streak and getting ready to give up because it's super repetitive.

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Oh look, theft that's legally protected because something starts making profit! It's like the existence of the stock market is the central problem with capitalism, since it's just an excuse to be a shitty person and is only ever used in that capacity. "fuck you, i get more money this way" is a dumb fucking principle to operate a society on. Antisocial, in fact. Google's IPO can be directly traced to every single problem the internet (and so, society) has right now.

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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    And the product now is traaaash.

    I used to use duolingo to learn every language whenever I visited a country, and I can't use it at all anymore.

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