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[–] 75 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Seems kinda arbitrary when the spec goes up to 240W

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  • [–] 42 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    There's always going to be some delay.

    USB PD EPR (extended power range, i.e. more than 100 w) was released in 2021. The relevant eu directive here was passed in 2022 for rules to take effect in 2024 and 2026.

    I think writing a 1-year-old spec into the law might be jumping the gun.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    How many people have 240W chargers laying around?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I'd guess a high percentage of the people with laptops that can draw that much power

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Really?

    Unless you have a dedicated GPU I don't see 240W being practical

    Most systems have a CPU with a TDP of around 35-60W

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago*

    I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from, let me just clear up where I'm coming from in case I'm confusing things:

    Obviously most users won't have a laptop that can draw 240W

    Though additionally, laptops that are able to draw 240W do exist today (there's even some that come with 360W barrel jack chargers now IIRC). Yes, they're for enthusiasts or professionals, but they still exist, so unless the spec prevented it*, they should be included in consideration too IMO

    Given this is legislation that applies with a pretty broad stroke, I was making the point it's kinda arbitrary to stop applying it at 100W.

    *Another commenter made the very good point though, that the 240W standard is simply too new to be part of this legislation. So kinda satisfied with that answer

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    They need to require the USB C ports to be user replaceable.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Costs about $30 in my country. Just need a guy who knows how to solder

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    [–] 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Guess it’s 101W MacBook time

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  • [–] 53 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Macbooks have been type-C charging for a decade now. I think Apple was a big part in creating the standard.

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    Oh yeah they brought that back by popular demand. Patent expires this year.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I’m glad the patent is expiring because this should have been the standard 18 years ago.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    AFAIK it was the EU that forced Apple to adopt USB-C, at least on iPhones, dunno if that applies to their laptops too.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    For phones and tablets. Apple has been using usb-c on their laptops for a while.

    Also, want to mention that USB4 standard is compatible with Thunderbolt 4 and therefore makes 1 connector compatible with all the devices. AFAIK that was not forced by EU but a cooperation between Apple and USB designer groups. But I might be wrong on that one.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    No, their laptops used to be only usb c until a few years ago when enough people started complaining the lack of ports. In fact the laptop in the article image is a mac.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Exactly how I felt when I saw the "replaceable battery" requirement excludes basically every flagship smartphone in production (at least Apple, Samsung, and probably Pixel). But that may be worse, because that rule has a preexisting loophole

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Well yes, and I think 1000 charge cycles aren’t very many at all to get down to 80% battery health. A heavy user could easily get to that within 3 years, charging every day. So within 3 years you have a battery that holds much less of a charge than a new one does and you can’t replace it, because that’s supposed to be good enough to be allowed to place irreplaceable ones. It’s all for the planned obsolescence that these companies create.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Yeahhhh but the standard is 240w. I swear they are doing this on purpose. A battery law that doesnt apply to 80% of new phones, a charger law that doesnt apply to gaming laptops.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    Looking at Anker website, their most expensivest charging block is 250W with a 140W max per port.

    140W blocks are not so common. Anything beyond that is super rare if even exists.

    Your typical laptop would utilize 45-85W with the most common 65W. Some gaming laptops would need 240W or more. 240W is a technical limit for USB-C PD right now. As an example, a gaming laptop - Legion Pro 7 16 is rated 400W and a laptop for creators - ThinkPad P14s is rated 100W.

    In the end, the most common power block is 65W that will be sufficient with majority of devices. The law is making sense in a way that they will remove all those barrel jacks and proprietary connectors from most common devices leaving them for specific cases.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    As Lemmyman posted above:

    There’s always going to be some delay.

    USB PD EPR (extended power range, i.e. more than 100 w) was released in 2021. The relevant eu directive here was passed in 2022 for rules to take effect in 2024 and 2026.

    I think writing a 1-year-old spec into the law might be jumping the gun.

    So when you write:

    I swear they are doing this on purpose.

    What is the conspiracy you are implying?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Oh okay that makes sense. The conspiracy im implying is that its already a proven thing in the us that politicians will pass a very weak bill that doesnt really change anything so they can use the excuse of RTR protections already existing. Actually a lot of places do this with diversity and environmental laws as well. I just got really annoyed with the battery one cause they exclude so many phones.

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    [–] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It's good for any charger development that's been an anti-consumer practice, but chargers like the old magsafe and the Surface chargers are honestly better. The amount of times someone trips on it makes a magnetic charger a lifesaver.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Apple just does Magsafe + USB-C now, or did last time I had an MBP at least (M2 Pro for work)

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Which is perfect, but you can also get a USB-C cord with a magnetically attached plug.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The problem with those are that they're not USB compliant, and there's no guarantee that they'll be stable with whatever device you use them on.

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    [–] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    God damn it why does getting a universal standard for charging take so much effort?!

    Don't answer that. I know why. I'm just frustrated.

    We are getting closer. I'm thrilled at the potential. Also fuck this shit...

    I get all of it... But I'm still angry. We are so god damn close.

    Takes hands and does the 'whooosaaaah' motion

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    because of the knobs in this thread who are arguing that usb c sucks and there should be something better and proprietary.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Legit question: for a laptop, wouldn't a simple standardized round connector and standard voltage be more simple, more resistant and cheaper than the complexity of usb-c? What are the benefits of usb-c charging in laptops? Phones also use the port for data transfer and occasional peripherals, but that's not a problem for laptops

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    The charging port doubles as an anythingelse port. Excellent for docking stations and one-cord work station setups in office.

    The standard already exists and laptops all already have these ports, anything else would be extra, extra space used, extra development, extra parts, extra unique parts, etc.

    We want One cord for all devices to be charged, not one for phones, one for PCs, one for TVs, one for laptops, etc.

    USB-C is a better form factor for thin devices than anything circular.

    We want laptops to be able to charge stuff plugged into them fast, so they already have all the components (or most of the same designs) for "can be charged themselves".

    Don't have to manufacture or source a separate power brick, just pick power brick ABC that can handle your wattage desire.

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