I’m the chimney sweep now!

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[–] 97 points 2 years ago (2 children)
  • [–] 57 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    But we already got rid of child chimney sweepers without getting rid of capitalism

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  • [–] 64 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    The point is that capitalism prioritizes profit, not the welfare of people. This is only not done anymore because of regulation, not because capitalism was fixed. It can't be fixed. The target goal of capitalism is wrong. Profit does not optimize for innovation, welfare, happiness, or anything else that could be called good. It will always exploit people as much as it can, and it just happens to not exploit children (in the western world (legally)) because we made it not allowed, and disobeying that law would be less profitable.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Seems like regulations are the fix.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    shouldn't we come up with a system where the core values don't need regulation. it becomes unthinkable to exploit children not because of regulation and enforcement but because the system in itself denies power to exploiters.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Don't worry give some states a couple of years and I'm sure we'll see child chimney sweepers come back 😉

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago

    Businesses in the Midwest US have already been hiring 10-12 year old undocumented kids to work overnight cleaning machine parts at meatpacking plants. I mean… so many different things wrong with that. The psycho fuckers who run these businesses need some real penalties, like jail time and dissolving their company.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    Through labor organization. It wasn't out of the goodness of the hearts of benevolent Capitalists, but through struggles of Workers. The point of this picture isn't that Capitalism used to be worse, and fixed itself, but that Capitalists will absolutely take advantage of children and subject them to sacrificing their bodies for clean chimneys if it makes a profit.

    The takeaway from this is that Capitalists cannot be seen as individual humans with values, but as cogs in the Capitalist machine that will exploit everything and everyone for profit. An individual Capitalist may not be willing to go that far, but inevitably as long as there is profit to be made, someone will fill that gap.

    That's why economic systems need to be looked at at aggregates and not as individual transactions. You miss the forest for the trees.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    we just moved child labour to less developed countries. we didn't get rid of anything. you just don't see it, but child labour is still going strong in the world. child slavery as well.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (22 children)

    No WE did not. The people in those countries where it still happens allowed it to still happen.

    None of us have any decisionmaking power to control what those countries do, so the burden to fix those problems is on those countries who allow it.

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    [–] 31 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Alright, let's not pretend that today is somehow just as bad or worse than this when it comes to developed countries, but we still need to make changes.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    What's bad is that even with the preponderance of historical evidence, there are still people who would absolutely return to these practices if the government let them. In many cases they do it anyway.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We're already doing it in the US. Republicans are pushing to repeal child labor laws. At the same time, multiple meat suppliers have been found using migrant children (as young as 11 IIRC) in dangerous jobs in their factories. This is at the same time that the greedy fucks are hiking prices on your groceries.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    This brings up one of the questions I have in regards to capitalism criticism. I understand that child labor is bad I would prefer labor be done safely and with respect. In a capitalist society undereducated and vulnerable people get the short end and often do these jobs. In a communist system dangerous and dirty work still needs to be done. How would labor be allotted that would cause a more egalitarian outcome. Personal example of my family were migrant farm workers. Uncle fucking hated doing field work he saved capital, went to community college, got a good paying job, is now paying my cousins way through cal poly. If the system is set up so that work is done by those who can then realistically he could still be a field hand and my cousin would probably follow him. How does a non capitalist system deter formation and unintentional enforcement of caste systems.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    Leftist organization, regardless of Tendency, proposes numerous solutions. Lower working times for dirty jobs, focusing on automating undesirable jobs as quickly as possible, and rotating who does those jobs are all proposed solutions.

    I suggest reading leftist theory.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    The left is primarily not concerned with the wealth disparity caused by different wages between jobs. What drives inequality, which makes our society less democratic and just, is the private ownership of capital (meaning means of production in this context). It would be totally fair in a socialist society to add bonuses for harder or more dangerous work. What is not compatible is private ownership, not personal ownership of stuff.

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    [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Some might be wondering what the issue is since he probably grew this one from a little thing.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Hey it's Arkansas' future!

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