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[–] 210 points 3 months ago (11 children)

I really don't think that specific emotion is isolated to gen z.

I remember all the promise and excitement that tech had back in the late 00's and early 10's. Things were unique and fun. That's just not true anymore. Every new software update adds shit that you didn't ask for and don't want (AI, ads, removal of user freedom). New hardware releases are either an underwhelming iteration of specs from the previous version, or an unimaginative device that has the same basic look and feel as every other device it's competing with.

Tech used to be fun and exploratory, now it's just companies pushing to see how much they can be allowed to exploit you for the least cost.

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  • [–] 77 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Don't even get me started on the 1990s. Every new processor generation actually felt faster. Web pages had blinking banners because the creator thought it looked cool, not to advertise a personal information vacuum. There was no better introduction to the public's absolutely awful sense of style. But I went from talking to international friends for $0.50/minute to free, and it was amazing.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    What's really just depressing is that these companies are more profitable and worth more than ever before. They don't need to do this. They are essentially tightening their grip on civilization's throat to see how hard they can squeeze before we all die, for the love of the game.

    It's also weird because they are opening themselves up to being out-competed by a company that isn't (as) evil. Being not evil is the most valuable market differentiator right now. Companies like Valve that seem to just be sticking with "we have enough money" are like water in the desert.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    valve is not public, rest of big tech is; which means shareholders are god and line must go up whatever the costs involved are, including civilization breakdown & climate change mass extinctions

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  • [–] 35 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Oh boy. If people would just start seeing that open source still gives you exactly this, but you know, Linux is for incels and shit, I much more prefer being spied on by big corp.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    Things were unique and fun. That’s just not true anymore. Every new software update adds shit that you didn’t ask for and don’t want (AI, ads, removal of user freedom).

    Amen. Every time I hear about a new tech product or startup or conference, now all I see are ads, subscription traps, and generally just people looking for new ways to fuck me.

    (And I don't like to be fucked by anyone except Mrs. Wallace)

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago* (8 children)

    Tech used to be fun and exploratory, now it’s just companies pushing to see how much they can be allowed to exploit you for the least cost.

    The fun and exploratory tech still exists, its just not sitting as a single product on a store shelf in a plastic clamshell package. The maker space is where all the exciting exploration is happening. If you have an idea the technology likely exists to make it happen, and the cost of the parts won't break the bank. Lots of reuse of cast off out-of-date tech can be integrated dropping the costs even more. While there are even better solutions, if you're just getting started pick up an old Arduino or Raspberry Pi (not the new expensive high end models) for under $30. Grow from there to microcontrollers like the ESP32 where it gets even cheaper for about $5 each. Learn to solder! Learn modeling and 3D printing! Use an operating system that lets you control your system instead of one that you just have to accept what they give you.

    It really is an amazing time in tech if you stop accepting a products as they are, and instead what you want them to be with your own modifications.

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    [–] 110 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Tech in the 1980's - 2010's was hopeful, beneficial, and fairly consumer oriented. Tech today is mostly some sort of scheme for recurring billing while openly assisting the modern surveillance state. It's no wonder modern tech feels icky.

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  • [–] 91 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Tech used to promise a better life. Now it requires a subscription and wants your biometrics just to lie about pizza toppings to you. Sounds like gen z is on the right path.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Tech is still cool, but subscriptions are not. That is why I like self hosting and open source so much.

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  • [–] 84 points 3 months ago

    Is it "discomfort", or a full rejection of the values represented by the enshittified tech companies and their LLM-cronies?

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  • [–] 66 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I'm tired of tech being everywhere from cars to toasters I still prefer analog things that do the job and only that job.

    I don't need my internet connected fridg to tell me what groceries to buy while selling my data to insurance companies

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  • [–] 53 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    i don't think it's tech, it's that tech stopped being something that helps you, now it's just things that control you, and it's all so shitty.

    being a millennial was nice. almost every new piece of tech was useful and made life easier. but i think it was around 2010ish when it all began going downhill. first, capacitative buttons, then smart everything that didn't help, just monitor you and sell your data. now so much tech is straight up hostile.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I remember when the first round of capacitive buttons showed up. I can’t find it anymore, but there was an article on a fan site for MP3 players I read in 2010 that showed the comparisons of physical vs capacitive vs touchscreens and capacitive buttons only had negatives. It baffled me when they just never stopped using them on things. That article was burned into my mind and now I see that logic has spilled into a thousand other industries.

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    [+] 50 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
    [–] 47 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    There's nothing wrong with the technology, it's who is running it all that needs to be fixed, with the general f*ckery that is through everything now I miss my 2400 baud modem that was bigger than my computer and dialing in to a BBS.

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    [–] 44 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Modern technology is great. It's massively cheaper and more performant for orders of magnitude less money.

    Consumer technology on the other hand, is cursed.

    The problem is that nobody needs to know how to use technology anymore. Every piece of consumer hardware and software is designed so that the company does all of the work for you and then rents you the fruits of the technology. Now you're eternally dependent on someone else to operate your technology for you because you're constantly paying the people that are ensuring your technological ignorance.

    Don't worry about learning how to store mp3s or manage your music Library! Just pay Spotify, YouTube Premium, or Apple Music $10/mo!

    Don't worry about needing to learn how to backup your data or to store you photos, just give Apple $29.99/mo! Shopping for hardware is hard, learning the difference between a Megapixel and a Megabyte is for nerds! Just buy the iPad, iLaptop, iCamera, iEarbuds, it only costs 50% more than it should!

    Dealing with .mp4 and .mkv files, too complicated! Don't worry about needing to learn anything about movies, Netflix/Hulu/Disney/Paramount/Amazon/AppleTV/etc will gladly take your $20/mo and do everything for you!

    Don't like your computer's OS being filled with advertising, spyware and AI? Too bad! Your only options are 1. Live in Apple's Walled Garden, 2. Put your entire life's worth of private data on the auction block for the lowest bidding advertiser for the benefit of Microsoft's shareholders or 3. Give your cellphone provider and Google root access to your entire life!

    Yes, this is a 'Just use Linux' comment.

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    [–] 38 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    It's not really discomfort. It's the fact that any benefit technology would give us is being monetized and abused to the point where it's not enjoyable. I have this phone because employers expect to be able to contact me 24/7, and because governments want to spy on me, and companies want to harvest my data so they can profit from me. In return im given just enough to make it to the next day, and a screen to distract me from how fucking pointless our society is.

    A skilled/educated American worker should be able to retire comfortably at 50 without having to worry about how they'll afford healthcare.

    Companies make millions off you, then you give a few thousand because they know if they ever paid you a fair share, we'd all realize how much they've been robbing us this whole time.

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    [–] 28 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    If I was gen z I would purely hate how I grew up. They got the worst if it. Well, them and alpha.

    No wonder so many want to go back, I do as well! Give me all of our civil rights of today (minus US idiocy, I mean actual first world countries ) and take me to 1995-05 somewhere.

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    [–] 27 points 3 months ago

    "to live in the past" is so fucking dumb, it shows that the person who wrote that title and the publisher who approved it thinks depending in AI, not caring about the data collected from you, jumping into whatever new popular thing and never having any critical thoughts about where this is all going is a good thing and the future.
    They're actually living in the now and making choices from that and for the future, they understand the objectively bad practices and shitty behaviour of the late stage capitalism we're living in.

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    [–] 21 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that the problem is not the technology, but who controls it.

    If we actually taught digital literacy in schools, and democratized access to technology, people could be making their own software made for solving problems instead of capturing attention!

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    [–] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The sad thing is they aren't really equipped to live in any world but the one being created for them. All the education indicators are trending down. They can't do much without an internet connection and apps

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Tbf non Gen-Z would also struggle if we'd remove their internet sevices suddenly.
    It feels like everyone in the cushy countries more or less forgot how to exist outside their world

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    [–] 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Bullshit. This sounds like a dumbshit conservative article written in hopes to belittle gen z into boomer thinking.

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    [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    It was that good in the 90s, enshittification is only more visible now as you have gotten older and better at identifying it.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I had an idea for a sci-fi setting where criminals are held in stasis like Demolition Man or Minority Report except the point isn’t to keep them away from society or rehabilitate them. It’s to rob them of their time in the present assuming that things are only going to bet worse.

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    [–] 8 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Xennial here. I got rid of most social media years ago (FB, twitter, etc.) and never signed up for a lot of others. I'm replacing my google pixel watch with a pebble. I'm open to ditching my android google phone as well once something works properly with all the Japanese government and banking services. Thinking about how to degoogle.

    It wasn't all sunshine and rainbows back in the '80s and '90s, but I definitely feel like we should take back some of our balance, security, and comfort (though streaming and recording video can stay).

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    [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    The worst damage to computers was done by U.S. Congress in 1972 when they fired ARPA IPTO that invented the Internet and the foundations of everything we now have in enshittified form. The direction was fantastic until then.

    The sick sad history of computer-aided collaboration
    https://www.quora.com/Who-invented-the-modern-computer-look-and-feel/answer/Harri-K-Hiltunen
    (long story)

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