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[–] 95 points 3 months ago (1 child)

"The cheating on mail-in voting is legendary. It's horrible what's going on," Trump said, repeating his false allegations about mail ballots as he signed the order. "I think this will help a lot with elections."

"And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth."

George Orwell, '1984'

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    As an American, Is there a way to not be on his list?

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The only people on the list already voted for him three times.

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  • [–] 70 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    States control elections. Donny can fuck off.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    He's going to say his people have to run blue states, and if they don't go along with it he'll try to say their elections don't count.

    Then have congress just not come into new session to seat anyone.

    Even if the article didn't explicitly talk about it it's weird how many people really can't see that coming and legitimately think he'll start following both letter and spirit of the law.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Not saying that he won't try, but the president has no (constitutional) say in the sitting of congress.

    I looked it up and in Powell vs McCormack (1969), the Supreme Court ruled that the speaker of the house has no authority to deny a representative sent by their respective state. So, unless the current Supreme Court decides to overturn that precedent, it would require a 2/3 majority vote of the newly-seated house to expel someone, assuming I've understood correctly (which is questionable).

    Tl;dr: I think even this couldn't necessarily prevent folks who win in November from serving.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah this will be shot down so fast, I’m not worried at all

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] [S] 51 points 3 months ago

    Pretty sure this is gonna be a literal whitelist, as in white voters.

    This is very clearly what they wanted all those state voter rolls for.

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    If the US has free and fair and honest elections, the Republicans will lose their majorities, therefore Trump (with the brazenly dishonest support of the corrupt and compromised conservatives of the Supreme Court) will see to it that the US does not have free and fair and honest elections.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Pretty much, but as others have pointed out elsewhere, it's difficult for him to rig the midterms for a number of reasons. It is entirely possible that both the House and the Senate will lose their majorities, even with all these obvious efforts to rig and cheat.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    How is this not election interference? I mean even proposing a law to interfere is interfering. I know that existing laws have very specific wording, so my question is, why the fuck did this not cover it. It's insane how obviously unconstitutional this is to a degree that these fuckers should be imprisoned for even the intent to make this an EO.

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    [–] 31 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The cheating on mail-in voting is legendary. It's horrible what's going on,"

    Didn't he, uhm, just recently voted through mail in Florida?

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    He also cheats on his wives, cheats on his taxes, cheats taxpayers out of their own money by funneling back into himself, cheats his contractors out of payments.... It's literally all he knows. Every accusation is a confession.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    If you haven't already been doing so, between now and Election Day in November, CHECK YOUR VOTER REGISTRATION STATUS!

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Snowden released the information showing that the government was logging everyone's text messages and logging the phone numbers everyone called. Then it was revealed that the government already has a profile that connects each person to their facebook, their phone number, their email- they know who everyone is. I guess this is really about ALLOWING people to be citizens and ALLOWING people to vote. It gives them control to create their own definitions and rules.

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    It also means that you, as a voter, have zero LOCAL recourse to get yourself added back on to the allowed list, should you ever find you have been kicked off it. And that is by design.

    In most (all? I don't know) states, if there is any problem with your registration or ID at the polling place you are allowed to submit a provisional ballot, which is then counted after the problem is resolved, or discarded if it is not.

    But with a federal -- physically controlled in Washington, DC -- list of allowed voters they can kick whoever they want off the voter rolls, whenever they want, for any reason they want or even no reason at all, and have that be the final word.

    EVERYONE is on the disallowed voter list until and unless specifically added, by unnamed operators, in some completely opaque process, answerable to either no one at all, or just to some rubber-stamping kangaroo court in DC.

    By contrast, the framers of the Constitution very specifically and deliberately left all election matters to the states, because they never wanted that concentration of power in the federal. Coming out of a very out of touch and physically distant monarchy they wanted people to never be too far from the mechanics of their own elections, so they very carefully wrote it the way they did.

    And here we are.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    He’s realizing that he won’t be able to stop the election from happening, and that the SAVE Act is DOA. Grasping at thinner and thinner straws.

    The people will vote. The states will count the votes and ratify winners. By November, the election will be among the largest midterm tidal waves in history.

    Trump’s impotent rage will be the next operation epic fury and will yield similar results.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] [S] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Rules of the comm say you have to use the exact title of the article. I had taken that off and then realized it had to stay if the post was to remain up.

    Yeah, I think it's safe to say that no one wants to watch an orange pustule erupt.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Now that the dominion voting booths are rigged the only way that the Republicans can really lose an election is with mail in voting, so all this makes sense

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    executive order

    That's as useful as a fart

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Seems like more people should be upset about this, but I guess we've all given up on democracy.

    On the bright side, at least kids in the future won't have to memorize the Bill of Rights.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Equal and more equal.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I still can’t understand why you need to register to vote? I mean, is that really democracy?

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 3 months ago*

    I still can’t understand why you need to register to vote? I mean, is that really democracy?

    I literally do not understand what this question is trying to say, unless it is coming from a profound misunderstanding of what registering to vote actually means.

    In the US, all elections are run by the individual states, across a land mass that is bigger than western Europe, and smaller only than Russia or China, and our voting process goes back to the late 18th century. This process actually worked really well for over two hundred years. It is only with the advent of electronic voting in the 1990s that there has been any real problem with our systems.

    But regardless, both back in the 1700s and now, registering to vote in the US is simply a matter of providing your identity and address of residence to your state's electoral board in accordance with that state's laws. In return your constitutional right to vote in elections is affirmed by your state, again in accordance with that state's processes, so that when you show up to vote your vote is properly validated and counted.

    So given that understanding, what does registering to vote have to do with any system of government?

    What's not democratic about being affirmed as a lawful voter by the state where you reside, in a country where it is impossible to know all your neighbors by sight and where there even now are vast stretches of rural land that have few to no inhabitants?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Doesn't every country have some electoral census? I know only about Poland and Spain because that's where I voted but in both countries you register in the census to indicate where you will be voting. Based on that you get assigned to a voting location that they have on their list. You go there, show them ID, they mark on the list that you voted and you get to place your vote.

    The main problem with US is that they, like some developing country, don't have a proper national ID system. In modern countries you get assigned an ID number at birth (PESEL in Poland, DNI in Spain), every single person has a national ID and you use it to identify yourself. No one says "you can't require ID for voting people a lot of people don't have it". People being unable to identify themselves is a 3rd world issue.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I never registered to vote in Canada.

    Since I was moving a lot before I left (student, then early-career renter), I would always show up to my local polling station with proof of address (usually a utility bill in my name) and proof of citizenship (usually my passport). They would copy down my details and give me a ballot. (I wasn't a douchebag who would do this on election day. I'd always go for early voting when the polling station was empty.)

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    In Poland you have to apply for a kind of "remote location" voting in advance and you can get a paper that let's you vote anywhere. You can't just show up anywhere. We also don't have any sort of early voting here. The polling stations are only open on election day.

    Who works at polling stations in Canada? How long do they have to sit there? In Spain it's random people from the public that are assigned to them so they are only required to be there for one day.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    In Canada, polling stations are also run by members of the public. I think they get paid, but it's a small enough amount that most people think of it as volunteering. In my experience, it's usually retired people. They also sit there for the day. On election day itself, they're also responsible for counting the ballots and making sure that the ballots are preserved. (I was once a volunteer scrutineer for one of the political parties, so I got to be there to watch the ballot-counting process.)

    Regarding early voting, my recollection is that a subset of polling places were open on two or three specific days in the weeks leading up to the election. Like, if my riding had 25 polling sites, only maybe 4 (one in each "quadrant") were open for early voting. On the plus side, I think the early voting days were usually on weekends.

    On the topic of "remote voting", my wife is Romanian and used to vote at the train station in Iași, since her official residence was still her home town. I always thought that was an interesting solution to the "voting outside your home district" problem, since it kind of implies that you're away from home because you've been riding a train. That said, since Iași is a university town and most people never seem to update their official residence (like, most of my tech worker friends officially "lived" in their hometown, even if they'd been in Iași for 10 years), the lineup to vote at the train station during a presidential runoff could be hours long. Of course, nobody needs to "register" to vote at the train station, since they just show their national ID card to prove they're eligible to vote.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Sure, but I have never been registered to vote in Finland. I just have information about elections and when and where I can vote. Also here even prisoners can vote. That’s why I’m a bit confused about US voting laws.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Probably: eligible republican leaning

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