▲ 412 ▼ WHO STOLE MY FUCKING BARS? (lemmings.world) submitted 7 months ago by GreenDust@lemmings.world to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world 39 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 68 points 7 months ago (2 children) I think with a capful of Adderall I could ascend to a higher plane of existence permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 39 points 7 months ago (1 child) Yeah, I mean if you believe in the afterlife permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 months ago (5 children) I'm an atheist but I don't actually preclude the existence of an afterlife. "There is no heaven or hell, it just all goes black and that's it," is just as patently unfalsifiable as any claim made by any religion. It's just as likely to be something completely different and alien from anything conceivable in our limited world view. In an infinite space of probabilities, the likelihood of it being "literally nothing" actually seems pretty low. That kind of uncertainty is exactly what scares most people, but not me. I'm looking forward to finding out one day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Tracaine@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago Sir this is a Wendy's. We're discussing drugs, not God. Arguably the same thing but still. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 13 points 7 months ago (2 children) Life is brain activity and when that ceases it’s the fade-to-black. Simple as. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 5 points 7 months ago (1 child) My whole point is that I disagree with the certainty of that claim. It's not grounded in empirical evidence, because we don't have any. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 13 points 7 months ago (2 children) We have proof of brain activity and it ending at death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 7 months ago Exactly. It’s not like you experienced anything before you were born either. Your brain starts sending signals, you experience those signals. After your brain stops your experience stops. Everyone has already observed this phenomenon. Unless technology advances to a point where we can reverse entropy somehow to the point where we can resurrect your dead brain cells, you will not experience anything ever again. And that’s fine, it won’t be scary, you won’t care, because you literally can’t. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (3 children) I don't agree that the cessation of brain activity necessarily means the end of the subjective experience. That doesn't mean I purport to know what actually happens at that point. I hope it's some sort of reincarnation but that's just because there's more I want to experience in this universe than I possibly could in a single lifetime. "You only have one life, live it the best you can" is a nice motivational mantra, but however well I live my life, it's highly unlikely I will live long enough to experience interstellar travel, for example, or first contact with alien life. I think that really fucking sucks, and I really hope I'll have a chance on the next go-around. But if it's something completely different, I'm cool with that, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 child) But why expect and plan for something that makes no sense? Sure, we can't prove there's no continued sentience once the brain dies, but there's no logic that leads to that. It's just wishful thinking. And that's how people have been duped into religious mumbo jumbo for ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago I'm not expecting or planning for anything, that's kind of the point. I'm not expecting one specific outcome. It's actually really freeing, because I'm not stuck searching for meaning in an existence that offers none. And if it turns out that it does all just go black, it won't be my problem anymore, will it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) I don't agree that the cessation of brain activity necessarily means the end of the subjective experience. What happens to a car when you turn off the engine and then disassemble the parts? Is the car still running? You believe in infinite possibilities so the chance of it not running is tiny? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? That's my question. You might argue that there is no such thing, but my own conscious experience proves to myself that there's something else there. I want to know what happens to that part. Hell, for all I know, you might just be a soulless meatbag automaton, and there really is no one in the driver's seat for you. Or I could just be the only actual human talking in a thread full of bots. With 90% of the training data going into LLMs being vapid contrarian debates on social media, I could easily see that being the case here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? The car is the car. I didn't mention a person. I didn't state that it is being driven. I asked if you believe the car is still running after being disassembled because anything is possible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 3 points 7 months ago But it’s the brain active that causes the experience. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) Ah, so you're in the 'teleporters are just cloning machines' camp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 child) What do you think they’re a 3D printer with a soul transfer function? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago Nope, just aware there are different ways of thinking about it — wasn't implying any one was wrong or right permalink fedilink source parent [–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago Teleporters are a plot device. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dangling_cat@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 7 months ago* (1 child) What if I believe that after you die, you get reincarnated as the type of person you hate the most? Ahhh dirt. I don’t want to be a transphobic trillionaire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago Yeah but on the second incarnation, wouldn't that put you right back where you started? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Godort@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) I realize this is also unverifiable, but it's just a return to non-existentence. You already experienced that for most of human history, and then for a comparatively breif period, things were different, and then it's back to non-existence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago The lack of memory of past existence isn't evidence of anything. We have clear evidence that memories are physical things, stored as connections of neurons in the brain. They can be lost to disease or injury, and they're destructively modified every time we access them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deltapi@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago Similar, but I consider myself agnostic, and I'm in no rush to reach the point of 'find out or cease existing' permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wren@lemmy.today 3 points 7 months ago Can't talk now, waxing my legs one hair at a time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 39 points 7 months ago (1 child) Yeah, I mean if you believe in the afterlife permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 months ago (5 children) I'm an atheist but I don't actually preclude the existence of an afterlife. "There is no heaven or hell, it just all goes black and that's it," is just as patently unfalsifiable as any claim made by any religion. It's just as likely to be something completely different and alien from anything conceivable in our limited world view. In an infinite space of probabilities, the likelihood of it being "literally nothing" actually seems pretty low. That kind of uncertainty is exactly what scares most people, but not me. I'm looking forward to finding out one day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Tracaine@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago Sir this is a Wendy's. We're discussing drugs, not God. Arguably the same thing but still. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 13 points 7 months ago (2 children) Life is brain activity and when that ceases it’s the fade-to-black. Simple as. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 5 points 7 months ago (1 child) My whole point is that I disagree with the certainty of that claim. It's not grounded in empirical evidence, because we don't have any. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 13 points 7 months ago (2 children) We have proof of brain activity and it ending at death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 7 months ago Exactly. It’s not like you experienced anything before you were born either. Your brain starts sending signals, you experience those signals. After your brain stops your experience stops. Everyone has already observed this phenomenon. Unless technology advances to a point where we can reverse entropy somehow to the point where we can resurrect your dead brain cells, you will not experience anything ever again. And that’s fine, it won’t be scary, you won’t care, because you literally can’t. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (3 children) I don't agree that the cessation of brain activity necessarily means the end of the subjective experience. That doesn't mean I purport to know what actually happens at that point. I hope it's some sort of reincarnation but that's just because there's more I want to experience in this universe than I possibly could in a single lifetime. "You only have one life, live it the best you can" is a nice motivational mantra, but however well I live my life, it's highly unlikely I will live long enough to experience interstellar travel, for example, or first contact with alien life. I think that really fucking sucks, and I really hope I'll have a chance on the next go-around. But if it's something completely different, I'm cool with that, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 child) But why expect and plan for something that makes no sense? Sure, we can't prove there's no continued sentience once the brain dies, but there's no logic that leads to that. It's just wishful thinking. And that's how people have been duped into religious mumbo jumbo for ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago I'm not expecting or planning for anything, that's kind of the point. I'm not expecting one specific outcome. It's actually really freeing, because I'm not stuck searching for meaning in an existence that offers none. And if it turns out that it does all just go black, it won't be my problem anymore, will it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) I don't agree that the cessation of brain activity necessarily means the end of the subjective experience. What happens to a car when you turn off the engine and then disassemble the parts? Is the car still running? You believe in infinite possibilities so the chance of it not running is tiny? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? That's my question. You might argue that there is no such thing, but my own conscious experience proves to myself that there's something else there. I want to know what happens to that part. Hell, for all I know, you might just be a soulless meatbag automaton, and there really is no one in the driver's seat for you. Or I could just be the only actual human talking in a thread full of bots. With 90% of the training data going into LLMs being vapid contrarian debates on social media, I could easily see that being the case here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? The car is the car. I didn't mention a person. I didn't state that it is being driven. I asked if you believe the car is still running after being disassembled because anything is possible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 3 points 7 months ago But it’s the brain active that causes the experience. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) Ah, so you're in the 'teleporters are just cloning machines' camp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 child) What do you think they’re a 3D printer with a soul transfer function? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago Nope, just aware there are different ways of thinking about it — wasn't implying any one was wrong or right permalink fedilink source parent [–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago Teleporters are a plot device. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dangling_cat@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 7 months ago* (1 child) What if I believe that after you die, you get reincarnated as the type of person you hate the most? Ahhh dirt. I don’t want to be a transphobic trillionaire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago Yeah but on the second incarnation, wouldn't that put you right back where you started? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Godort@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) I realize this is also unverifiable, but it's just a return to non-existentence. You already experienced that for most of human history, and then for a comparatively breif period, things were different, and then it's back to non-existence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago The lack of memory of past existence isn't evidence of anything. We have clear evidence that memories are physical things, stored as connections of neurons in the brain. They can be lost to disease or injury, and they're destructively modified every time we access them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deltapi@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago Similar, but I consider myself agnostic, and I'm in no rush to reach the point of 'find out or cease existing' permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 months ago (5 children) I'm an atheist but I don't actually preclude the existence of an afterlife. "There is no heaven or hell, it just all goes black and that's it," is just as patently unfalsifiable as any claim made by any religion. It's just as likely to be something completely different and alien from anything conceivable in our limited world view. In an infinite space of probabilities, the likelihood of it being "literally nothing" actually seems pretty low. That kind of uncertainty is exactly what scares most people, but not me. I'm looking forward to finding out one day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Tracaine@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago Sir this is a Wendy's. We're discussing drugs, not God. Arguably the same thing but still. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 13 points 7 months ago (2 children) Life is brain activity and when that ceases it’s the fade-to-black. Simple as. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 5 points 7 months ago (1 child) My whole point is that I disagree with the certainty of that claim. It's not grounded in empirical evidence, because we don't have any. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 13 points 7 months ago (2 children) We have proof of brain activity and it ending at death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 7 months ago Exactly. It’s not like you experienced anything before you were born either. Your brain starts sending signals, you experience those signals. After your brain stops your experience stops. Everyone has already observed this phenomenon. Unless technology advances to a point where we can reverse entropy somehow to the point where we can resurrect your dead brain cells, you will not experience anything ever again. And that’s fine, it won’t be scary, you won’t care, because you literally can’t. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (3 children) I don't agree that the cessation of brain activity necessarily means the end of the subjective experience. That doesn't mean I purport to know what actually happens at that point. I hope it's some sort of reincarnation but that's just because there's more I want to experience in this universe than I possibly could in a single lifetime. "You only have one life, live it the best you can" is a nice motivational mantra, but however well I live my life, it's highly unlikely I will live long enough to experience interstellar travel, for example, or first contact with alien life. I think that really fucking sucks, and I really hope I'll have a chance on the next go-around. But if it's something completely different, I'm cool with that, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 child) But why expect and plan for something that makes no sense? Sure, we can't prove there's no continued sentience once the brain dies, but there's no logic that leads to that. It's just wishful thinking. And that's how people have been duped into religious mumbo jumbo for ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago I'm not expecting or planning for anything, that's kind of the point. I'm not expecting one specific outcome. It's actually really freeing, because I'm not stuck searching for meaning in an existence that offers none. And if it turns out that it does all just go black, it won't be my problem anymore, will it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) I don't agree that the cessation of brain activity necessarily means the end of the subjective experience. What happens to a car when you turn off the engine and then disassemble the parts? Is the car still running? You believe in infinite possibilities so the chance of it not running is tiny? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? That's my question. You might argue that there is no such thing, but my own conscious experience proves to myself that there's something else there. I want to know what happens to that part. Hell, for all I know, you might just be a soulless meatbag automaton, and there really is no one in the driver's seat for you. Or I could just be the only actual human talking in a thread full of bots. With 90% of the training data going into LLMs being vapid contrarian debates on social media, I could easily see that being the case here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? The car is the car. I didn't mention a person. I didn't state that it is being driven. I asked if you believe the car is still running after being disassembled because anything is possible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 3 points 7 months ago But it’s the brain active that causes the experience. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) Ah, so you're in the 'teleporters are just cloning machines' camp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 child) What do you think they’re a 3D printer with a soul transfer function? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago Nope, just aware there are different ways of thinking about it — wasn't implying any one was wrong or right permalink fedilink source parent [–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago Teleporters are a plot device. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dangling_cat@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 7 months ago* (1 child) What if I believe that after you die, you get reincarnated as the type of person you hate the most? Ahhh dirt. I don’t want to be a transphobic trillionaire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago Yeah but on the second incarnation, wouldn't that put you right back where you started? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Godort@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) I realize this is also unverifiable, but it's just a return to non-existentence. You already experienced that for most of human history, and then for a comparatively breif period, things were different, and then it's back to non-existence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago The lack of memory of past existence isn't evidence of anything. We have clear evidence that memories are physical things, stored as connections of neurons in the brain. They can be lost to disease or injury, and they're destructively modified every time we access them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deltapi@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago Similar, but I consider myself agnostic, and I'm in no rush to reach the point of 'find out or cease existing' permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tracaine@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago Sir this is a Wendy's. We're discussing drugs, not God. Arguably the same thing but still. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 13 points 7 months ago (2 children) Life is brain activity and when that ceases it’s the fade-to-black. Simple as. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 5 points 7 months ago (1 child) My whole point is that I disagree with the certainty of that claim. It's not grounded in empirical evidence, because we don't have any. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 13 points 7 months ago (2 children) We have proof of brain activity and it ending at death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 7 months ago Exactly. It’s not like you experienced anything before you were born either. Your brain starts sending signals, you experience those signals. After your brain stops your experience stops. Everyone has already observed this phenomenon. Unless technology advances to a point where we can reverse entropy somehow to the point where we can resurrect your dead brain cells, you will not experience anything ever again. And that’s fine, it won’t be scary, you won’t care, because you literally can’t. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (3 children) I don't agree that the cessation of brain activity necessarily means the end of the subjective experience. That doesn't mean I purport to know what actually happens at that point. I hope it's some sort of reincarnation but that's just because there's more I want to experience in this universe than I possibly could in a single lifetime. "You only have one life, live it the best you can" is a nice motivational mantra, but however well I live my life, it's highly unlikely I will live long enough to experience interstellar travel, for example, or first contact with alien life. I think that really fucking sucks, and I really hope I'll have a chance on the next go-around. But if it's something completely different, I'm cool with that, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 child) But why expect and plan for something that makes no sense? Sure, we can't prove there's no continued sentience once the brain dies, but there's no logic that leads to that. It's just wishful thinking. And that's how people have been duped into religious mumbo jumbo for ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago I'm not expecting or planning for anything, that's kind of the point. I'm not expecting one specific outcome. It's actually really freeing, because I'm not stuck searching for meaning in an existence that offers none. And if it turns out that it does all just go black, it won't be my problem anymore, will it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) I don't agree that the cessation of brain activity necessarily means the end of the subjective experience. What happens to a car when you turn off the engine and then disassemble the parts? Is the car still running? You believe in infinite possibilities so the chance of it not running is tiny? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? That's my question. You might argue that there is no such thing, but my own conscious experience proves to myself that there's something else there. I want to know what happens to that part. Hell, for all I know, you might just be a soulless meatbag automaton, and there really is no one in the driver's seat for you. Or I could just be the only actual human talking in a thread full of bots. With 90% of the training data going into LLMs being vapid contrarian debates on social media, I could easily see that being the case here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? The car is the car. I didn't mention a person. I didn't state that it is being driven. I asked if you believe the car is still running after being disassembled because anything is possible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 3 points 7 months ago But it’s the brain active that causes the experience. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) Ah, so you're in the 'teleporters are just cloning machines' camp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 child) What do you think they’re a 3D printer with a soul transfer function? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago Nope, just aware there are different ways of thinking about it — wasn't implying any one was wrong or right permalink fedilink source parent [–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago Teleporters are a plot device. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 5 points 7 months ago (1 child) My whole point is that I disagree with the certainty of that claim. It's not grounded in empirical evidence, because we don't have any. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 13 points 7 months ago (2 children) We have proof of brain activity and it ending at death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 7 months ago Exactly. It’s not like you experienced anything before you were born either. Your brain starts sending signals, you experience those signals. After your brain stops your experience stops. Everyone has already observed this phenomenon. Unless technology advances to a point where we can reverse entropy somehow to the point where we can resurrect your dead brain cells, you will not experience anything ever again. And that’s fine, it won’t be scary, you won’t care, because you literally can’t. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (3 children) I don't agree that the cessation of brain activity necessarily means the end of the subjective experience. That doesn't mean I purport to know what actually happens at that point. I hope it's some sort of reincarnation but that's just because there's more I want to experience in this universe than I possibly could in a single lifetime. "You only have one life, live it the best you can" is a nice motivational mantra, but however well I live my life, it's highly unlikely I will live long enough to experience interstellar travel, for example, or first contact with alien life. I think that really fucking sucks, and I really hope I'll have a chance on the next go-around. But if it's something completely different, I'm cool with that, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 child) But why expect and plan for something that makes no sense? Sure, we can't prove there's no continued sentience once the brain dies, but there's no logic that leads to that. It's just wishful thinking. And that's how people have been duped into religious mumbo jumbo for ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago I'm not expecting or planning for anything, that's kind of the point. I'm not expecting one specific outcome. It's actually really freeing, because I'm not stuck searching for meaning in an existence that offers none. And if it turns out that it does all just go black, it won't be my problem anymore, will it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) I don't agree that the cessation of brain activity necessarily means the end of the subjective experience. What happens to a car when you turn off the engine and then disassemble the parts? Is the car still running? You believe in infinite possibilities so the chance of it not running is tiny? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? That's my question. You might argue that there is no such thing, but my own conscious experience proves to myself that there's something else there. I want to know what happens to that part. Hell, for all I know, you might just be a soulless meatbag automaton, and there really is no one in the driver's seat for you. Or I could just be the only actual human talking in a thread full of bots. With 90% of the training data going into LLMs being vapid contrarian debates on social media, I could easily see that being the case here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? The car is the car. I didn't mention a person. I didn't state that it is being driven. I asked if you believe the car is still running after being disassembled because anything is possible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 3 points 7 months ago But it’s the brain active that causes the experience. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 13 points 7 months ago (2 children) We have proof of brain activity and it ending at death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 7 months ago Exactly. It’s not like you experienced anything before you were born either. Your brain starts sending signals, you experience those signals. After your brain stops your experience stops. Everyone has already observed this phenomenon. Unless technology advances to a point where we can reverse entropy somehow to the point where we can resurrect your dead brain cells, you will not experience anything ever again. And that’s fine, it won’t be scary, you won’t care, because you literally can’t. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (3 children) I don't agree that the cessation of brain activity necessarily means the end of the subjective experience. That doesn't mean I purport to know what actually happens at that point. I hope it's some sort of reincarnation but that's just because there's more I want to experience in this universe than I possibly could in a single lifetime. "You only have one life, live it the best you can" is a nice motivational mantra, but however well I live my life, it's highly unlikely I will live long enough to experience interstellar travel, for example, or first contact with alien life. I think that really fucking sucks, and I really hope I'll have a chance on the next go-around. But if it's something completely different, I'm cool with that, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 child) But why expect and plan for something that makes no sense? Sure, we can't prove there's no continued sentience once the brain dies, but there's no logic that leads to that. It's just wishful thinking. And that's how people have been duped into religious mumbo jumbo for ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago I'm not expecting or planning for anything, that's kind of the point. I'm not expecting one specific outcome. It's actually really freeing, because I'm not stuck searching for meaning in an existence that offers none. And if it turns out that it does all just go black, it won't be my problem anymore, will it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) I don't agree that the cessation of brain activity necessarily means the end of the subjective experience. What happens to a car when you turn off the engine and then disassemble the parts? Is the car still running? You believe in infinite possibilities so the chance of it not running is tiny? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? That's my question. You might argue that there is no such thing, but my own conscious experience proves to myself that there's something else there. I want to know what happens to that part. Hell, for all I know, you might just be a soulless meatbag automaton, and there really is no one in the driver's seat for you. Or I could just be the only actual human talking in a thread full of bots. With 90% of the training data going into LLMs being vapid contrarian debates on social media, I could easily see that being the case here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? The car is the car. I didn't mention a person. I didn't state that it is being driven. I asked if you believe the car is still running after being disassembled because anything is possible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 3 points 7 months ago But it’s the brain active that causes the experience. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 7 months ago Exactly. It’s not like you experienced anything before you were born either. Your brain starts sending signals, you experience those signals. After your brain stops your experience stops. Everyone has already observed this phenomenon. Unless technology advances to a point where we can reverse entropy somehow to the point where we can resurrect your dead brain cells, you will not experience anything ever again. And that’s fine, it won’t be scary, you won’t care, because you literally can’t. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (3 children) I don't agree that the cessation of brain activity necessarily means the end of the subjective experience. That doesn't mean I purport to know what actually happens at that point. I hope it's some sort of reincarnation but that's just because there's more I want to experience in this universe than I possibly could in a single lifetime. "You only have one life, live it the best you can" is a nice motivational mantra, but however well I live my life, it's highly unlikely I will live long enough to experience interstellar travel, for example, or first contact with alien life. I think that really fucking sucks, and I really hope I'll have a chance on the next go-around. But if it's something completely different, I'm cool with that, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 child) But why expect and plan for something that makes no sense? Sure, we can't prove there's no continued sentience once the brain dies, but there's no logic that leads to that. It's just wishful thinking. And that's how people have been duped into religious mumbo jumbo for ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago I'm not expecting or planning for anything, that's kind of the point. I'm not expecting one specific outcome. It's actually really freeing, because I'm not stuck searching for meaning in an existence that offers none. And if it turns out that it does all just go black, it won't be my problem anymore, will it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) I don't agree that the cessation of brain activity necessarily means the end of the subjective experience. What happens to a car when you turn off the engine and then disassemble the parts? Is the car still running? You believe in infinite possibilities so the chance of it not running is tiny? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? That's my question. You might argue that there is no such thing, but my own conscious experience proves to myself that there's something else there. I want to know what happens to that part. Hell, for all I know, you might just be a soulless meatbag automaton, and there really is no one in the driver's seat for you. Or I could just be the only actual human talking in a thread full of bots. With 90% of the training data going into LLMs being vapid contrarian debates on social media, I could easily see that being the case here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? The car is the car. I didn't mention a person. I didn't state that it is being driven. I asked if you believe the car is still running after being disassembled because anything is possible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 3 points 7 months ago But it’s the brain active that causes the experience. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 child) But why expect and plan for something that makes no sense? Sure, we can't prove there's no continued sentience once the brain dies, but there's no logic that leads to that. It's just wishful thinking. And that's how people have been duped into religious mumbo jumbo for ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago I'm not expecting or planning for anything, that's kind of the point. I'm not expecting one specific outcome. It's actually really freeing, because I'm not stuck searching for meaning in an existence that offers none. And if it turns out that it does all just go black, it won't be my problem anymore, will it? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago I'm not expecting or planning for anything, that's kind of the point. I'm not expecting one specific outcome. It's actually really freeing, because I'm not stuck searching for meaning in an existence that offers none. And if it turns out that it does all just go black, it won't be my problem anymore, will it? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) I don't agree that the cessation of brain activity necessarily means the end of the subjective experience. What happens to a car when you turn off the engine and then disassemble the parts? Is the car still running? You believe in infinite possibilities so the chance of it not running is tiny? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? That's my question. You might argue that there is no such thing, but my own conscious experience proves to myself that there's something else there. I want to know what happens to that part. Hell, for all I know, you might just be a soulless meatbag automaton, and there really is no one in the driver's seat for you. Or I could just be the only actual human talking in a thread full of bots. With 90% of the training data going into LLMs being vapid contrarian debates on social media, I could easily see that being the case here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? The car is the car. I didn't mention a person. I didn't state that it is being driven. I asked if you believe the car is still running after being disassembled because anything is possible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Technus@lemmy.zip -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? That's my question. You might argue that there is no such thing, but my own conscious experience proves to myself that there's something else there. I want to know what happens to that part. Hell, for all I know, you might just be a soulless meatbag automaton, and there really is no one in the driver's seat for you. Or I could just be the only actual human talking in a thread full of bots. With 90% of the training data going into LLMs being vapid contrarian debates on social media, I could easily see that being the case here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? The car is the car. I didn't mention a person. I didn't state that it is being driven. I asked if you believe the car is still running after being disassembled because anything is possible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* What happens to the guy that was driving it? Does he just blink out of existence when the car shuts off? The car is the car. I didn't mention a person. I didn't state that it is being driven. I asked if you believe the car is still running after being disassembled because anything is possible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 3 points 7 months ago But it’s the brain active that causes the experience. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) Ah, so you're in the 'teleporters are just cloning machines' camp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 child) What do you think they’re a 3D printer with a soul transfer function? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago Nope, just aware there are different ways of thinking about it — wasn't implying any one was wrong or right permalink fedilink source parent [–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago Teleporters are a plot device. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 child) What do you think they’re a 3D printer with a soul transfer function? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago Nope, just aware there are different ways of thinking about it — wasn't implying any one was wrong or right permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago Nope, just aware there are different ways of thinking about it — wasn't implying any one was wrong or right permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago Teleporters are a plot device. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dangling_cat@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 7 months ago* (1 child) What if I believe that after you die, you get reincarnated as the type of person you hate the most? Ahhh dirt. I don’t want to be a transphobic trillionaire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago Yeah but on the second incarnation, wouldn't that put you right back where you started? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago Yeah but on the second incarnation, wouldn't that put you right back where you started? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Godort@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) I realize this is also unverifiable, but it's just a return to non-existentence. You already experienced that for most of human history, and then for a comparatively breif period, things were different, and then it's back to non-existence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Technus@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago The lack of memory of past existence isn't evidence of anything. We have clear evidence that memories are physical things, stored as connections of neurons in the brain. They can be lost to disease or injury, and they're destructively modified every time we access them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago The lack of memory of past existence isn't evidence of anything. We have clear evidence that memories are physical things, stored as connections of neurons in the brain. They can be lost to disease or injury, and they're destructively modified every time we access them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deltapi@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago Similar, but I consider myself agnostic, and I'm in no rush to reach the point of 'find out or cease existing' permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wren@lemmy.today 3 points 7 months ago Can't talk now, waxing my legs one hair at a time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 32 points 7 months ago (1 child) Only if your prescription is for euthanasia! permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (1 child) Youth in Asia don't get enough credit for all the great things they achieve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] oozynozh@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago always wondered as a child why my church was praying to end youth in Asia permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (1 child) Youth in Asia don't get enough credit for all the great things they achieve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] oozynozh@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago always wondered as a child why my church was praying to end youth in Asia permalink fedilink source parent
[–] oozynozh@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago always wondered as a child why my church was praying to end youth in Asia permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (2 children) what are those bar things, is that supposed to be a tablet? permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 8 points 7 months ago (1 child) Alprazolam can come in a 4 segmented bar tablet. You're supposed to break it apart for the dosage you need. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago gnarly permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rooster326@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Bars are the devil. It's >!Xanax!< permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) squared off for easy choking lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fuck_u_spez_@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago jfc. grkk great username too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 8 points 7 months ago (1 child) Alprazolam can come in a 4 segmented bar tablet. You're supposed to break it apart for the dosage you need. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago gnarly permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Bars are the devil. It's >!Xanax!< permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) squared off for easy choking lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fuck_u_spez_@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago jfc. grkk great username too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) squared off for easy choking lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fuck_u_spez_@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago jfc. grkk great username too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fuck_u_spez_@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago jfc. grkk great username too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago jfc. grkk great username too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] adhd_traco@piefed.social 5 points 7 months ago 🎼 Meine Liebe ist für immer Und mir wird ganz warm Meine Liebe ist für dich Alprazolam, Alprazolam 🎧 I can practically taste the seizures permalink fedilink source
[–] coriza@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Hey, I know this drug, it makes your snipe zoom more stable in Metal Gear Solid. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] oozynozh@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago kicks in instantly and lasts ~30 seconds ... maybe the nanomachines boost Snake's metabolism permalink fedilink source parent
[–] oozynozh@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago kicks in instantly and lasts ~30 seconds ... maybe the nanomachines boost Snake's metabolism permalink fedilink source parent
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