Despite getting better and better with each season, Prime Video ultimately cancelled The Wheel of Time — and we're still angry over it.

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[–] 32 points 8 months ago (16 children)

The wheel of time is my all-time favorite book series. That show was a travesty, and I'm deeply saddened that we probably won't get another adaptation in my lifetime. I place the blame with the show runner Rafe Judkin's because he thought he could write a better story than what already existed in the books. The show was only loosely based on the source material. Everything from the writing, to the set building, to the costumes all looked so cheap, like leftovers from a spirit Halloween day after sale. Rafe was responsible for all of these as show runner.

LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID TO MY BOY LOIAL HE DESERVED SO MUCH BETTER THAN THIS.

Anyone who was interested in the series I implore you to check out the books. It's a long series but the payoffs are some of the best in all of fantasy writing.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I for one am so fucking sick of series being announced just to find out they are loosely using the source material but mainly just making shit up that sucks. Looking at you Halo and The Witcher. Everything is already there, worked out in detail, all you have to do is adapt. But noooooo, the writers know way better than anyone else and we end up with minority representation where it doesn't fit just to boost their numbers, armour that looks like old scrotums, and a fractured bullshit retelling of the story sort of. I'm over it.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It could have been so easy to just bring the books to life. I understand some things do not translate from the page to the screen, but that should be the exception and not the rule.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    Robert Jordan's work is some of the easiest to translate to the screen because of how descriptive and long winded he is with world building. They took too many creative liberties in the wrong direction with that show.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I just wanted to see Dumais Wells. That's all.

    The trailer alone for it would have soaked my undies.

    Fade to black The lull roar of combat and screams of battle, the screen fades in on the face of Mazrim Taim "Asha'man..." The screen flickers to the a group of men bursting with viscous black and red fibers of light crawling into the ground.

    "Kill"

    The screen goes black and from a distance the ripple passing through the Earth rises to wash fighters from the battle field.

    There is no fight. There is only the one power and true terror. A 5-second trailer would have done it. I wanted that and they took it from me.

    I'm so disappointed. "

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    [–] 31 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I have read all the books and even wrote a thesis on it when I was in a Masters program. I tried watching the show and it was almost as awful as the Shannara Chronicles.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    ...Was the last season any good?

    I quit halfway though season 1, but pike was charismatic. She basically carried the show from what I saw.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It got really good by the time they cancelled it. Haven’t read books but my gf did and according to her while there were major changes to the original it was still quite enjoyable. I enjoyed it for what it was.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I've read them multiple times and agree with your gf. They're two different things with the same characters. I liked the show less than the books but I still liked the show and I'm sad it's gone.

    I think part of the problem is that they deviated way too far from the source material so fan favorites never really got their time on screen. Add to that some things they had to do due to covid and losing a great actor (at least my favorite of the EF5) before season 1 episode 8 and having to scramble to fix that mess and they lost a lot of people who would have been their biggest cheerleaders.

    These are not complaints of mine, just some observations outside the racist and sexist bullshit rhetoric that surrounded parts of the show fandom.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    racist and sexist bullshit rhetoric that surrounded parts of the show fandom.

    ...dare I ask what this was about?

    I don't know anything about the books, but what could it possibly be?

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    They had brown people for the Emond's Field folks. A group didn't like that. The women were competent in the show (and more competent than the dudes) than in the books (aes sedai notwithstanding). A group didn't like that. Twice a woman did something seemingly impossible based on the rules set forth in the books. I actually agree that one of them was problematic, but not because it was a woman. My issue with it was that it was just a senseless and unnecessary change. But I didn't run to the Internet to talk about how it ruined the show, the world, my faith in humanity, and how it's the worst thing that ever happened to anyone ever.

    So there was a split between people who read the books. People who enjoyed it overall (me), people who didn't enjoy it because it changed too much from the source material (a valid stance and I see why they felt that way), and a persistent and loud group who were mad about brown people and women (shitbags).

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It's the weirdest complaint to me too because the only character that it really seems like we know has to be white is Rand and that's only because typically only white people have red hair.

    When I first read it I thought him being singled out as a white guy with red hair and that being so notable probably meant that tall redheaded white dudes are kind of rare around these parts. People guessed his ethnicity just by looking at him too.

    The idea that everyone else would be some other shade of skin makes perfect fucking sense in that context.

    I don't like the way that they broke the rules of magic. It changes the stakes in ways that make the story less compelling but all of the racist and sexist nonsense is pathetic and sad. I'm not sure how people could read 14 of these books and come away thinking, "men are like this and women are like that" or some shit.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    I'm not sure how people could read 14 of these books and come away thinking, "men are like this and women are like that" or some shit.

    People that can only understand literature at a surface level, and don't grasp things like nuance, sarcasm, etc. So basically, people who haven't advanced past an elementary reading level.

    The irony is that one of the more constant themes in the series is that the men think women are a certain way, and the women think men are a certain way, but those viewpoints are contradicted nearly every other chapter.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago*

    ...That's sounds about right :(

    TBH I've seen this happen to a lot of fandoms, especially those in 'dry spells' that cling to the first bits of canon a little too hard.

    Then someone like me, say, walks in on an Andor dogpile and has no idea what's going on, until I realize "Oh. They changed something." And 'shitbags' complaining about skin color or gender are almost always the loudest, yeah.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    I thought the last season was great, though I have no idea how faithful it was to the source material since I haven't gotten that far in the books. However, the show is what recently got me to start reading the books, so say what you will about it, but I think the show at least had that positive outcome me.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    I guess that depends if you think it was cool to cut gaul and just use aviendha instead? On that note don't you remember the time

    Tap for spoilerAviendha and Elayne hooked up? And also when they make Perrin ACTUALLY kill Geofram Bornhald? Idk man it's the easy way out all the way down.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I stopped when Rand went to Tar Valon almost at once and met Loial, and Loial failed to give the traditional aiel greeting when believing Rand to be aiel.... I just turned it off mid episode

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    I hate watched it to the end of S1 but it was clear in the first couple episodes they were going to destroy the book narrative and replace it with a vastly inferior one, meaning i would never get to see the wheel of time on screen, which is the only reason I watched it in the first place.

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    [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    My biggest problem was it being on Amazon prime. Sure I'll sail the seas to watch it on day, but that doesn't help it keep getting made and I'm sure as heck not giving Bezos money if I can help it

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    The show was trash, she was great in it.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I always feel a bit bad for actors that put a lot of time into these multi-season shows only for them to get cancelled. Like I'm sure they get paid well, but money isn't everything for someone in the creative arts industry. Pike and others would have put quite a lot of time into developing their characters and it would be frustrating not to get closure, not to mention they might have missed out on other opportunities due to scheduling conflicts.

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    [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe if they'd actually followed the books the fans would have actually watched the show.

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    [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    Im not. This is what happens when you eff with the source material.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (16 children)

    I've not read the books, but I did not care for the series. I only got 2 episodes in.

    I wish someone would make a good high budget Earthsea series.

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    [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    The show needed saving before you released season one, though.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    This show was utter trash from the start. It's scores are bought. There's no way season 3 gets a legit 97%. All cap.

    I'm delighted this nightmare of an adaptation is dead.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I heard a rumour that the choice of show was between Wheel Of Time and Julian May's Saga Of Pliocene Exile (my favourite sci-fi / fantasy series). At the time I was gutted we missed out but, seeing what Amazon did with WOT, I think we dodged a bullet.

    I'll try to upload a photo by Nick Dudman who was commissioned to make some artwork for the proposed SPE show (Felice at the Ship's grave).

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