After New York City’s race for mayor catapulted Zohran Mamdani from state assembly member into one of the world’s most prominent progressive voices, intense debate swirled over the ideas at the heart of his campaign.

His critics and opponents painted pledges such as free bus service, universal child care and rent freezes as unworkable, unrealistic and exorbitantly expensive.

But some have hit back, highlighting the quirk of geography that underpins some of this view. “He promised things that Europeans take for granted, but Americans are told are impossible,” said Dutch environmentalist and former government advisor Alexander Verbeek in the wake of Tuesday’s election.

Verbeek backed this with a comment he had overheard in an Oslo café, in which Mamdani was described as an American politician who “finally” sounded normal.

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[–] 288 points 9 months ago (3 children)

From a unitedstatesian:

Genuinely, thank you, European politicians and public figures, for pointing out that reasonably socialized public services are considered de rigueur by the vast majority of the rest of the developed world.

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  • [–] 150 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It felt so weird when Tim Walz was lauded as a “gift to progressives” when he was running on a platform of “kids deserve food”.

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  • [–] 83 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I live in Colorado where we just passed a resolution to pay for school lunches by a small tax on individuals making $300,000 or more.

    I swear to God, there were a ton of people complaining about it. My favorite was a Facebook friend of my brother who posted "Why are we allowing people to vote on this who don't make more than $300,000 a year if it doesn't affect them? That's not how democracy works."

    These people are fucking insane.

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  • [–] 31 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Not just the developed world as quite a lot of developing nations strive to offer these services as well.

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  • Which is even more insane.

    But at the same time, 40 or so of our states have been essentially un-developing for the last couple decades. The US is essentially a dozen first-world countries supporting a few dozen third-world countries, and the latter constantly politically attack the former. Really would be nice if those of us who live in the actually productive regions could just cut bait on the regressive states and let them find out the hard way.

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    [+] 156 points 9 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)
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    [–] 142 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    Yes. Thank you.

    The fact that even r/democrats has banned posts about Mamdani is shocking to me. (I found out from Bluesky, went to Reddit and checked and it's true)

    This dude is normal. Full stop.

    EDIT: And yea, I was literally thinking these days "It's nice to see Europe influencing the US for a change"

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    Because Reddit is run by billionaires like any other enshittified format.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Head over there and promote a platform of free speech where Mamdami can be discussed. Like... this one?

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    “Europeans recognize his vision about free public transit and universal childcare. We expect our governments to make these kinds of services accessible to all of us,” said Verbeek. “We pay higher taxes and get civilized societies in return. The debate here isn’t whether to have these programs, but how to improve them.”

    Yes.

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  • [–] 45 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Honestly I love taxes. I don't love that billionaires don't pay enough taxes and the unequal tax burden across different social groups but I love taxes and I love the idea of taxes. My dream would be a society where I work for basically pocket money and everything else - quality staple food and fresh food, education, healthcare, adequate housing, transportation, communication, childcare - is provided to me.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

    Honestly, one of my biggest conspiracy theories is that US employers (which are almost universally rich conservatives) use pre-tax income specifically to garner hate for taxes. Because conservatives always want to lower taxes on the rich, so they try to poison the average person’s view on them to sway public opinion. Whenever Americans discuss their income, it is always referencing the pre-tax amount. For instance, if an American says they’re making $50k per year, they’re probably only taking home ~$42k. So they tend to see taxes as an extreme burden, because they’re always looking at their pre-tax amount when they think about their income.

    The American tax code is also intentionally kept extremely confusing, to further stoke hatred for taxes. Taxes could be an automatic “hey, here’s how much you owe, and how we calculated it. Let us know if you have any deductions we missed, and we’ll amend it for you” letter from the IRS. But instead, Americans are forced to calculate their own taxes, (even though the IRS already knows how much they owe), which means every American is annually reminded of how much income they’re “losing” to taxes every year.

    In contrast, the rest of the fucking world uses post-tax income, because that’s how much money you can actually plan to take home. The taxes are a consideration, but if a job advertises €50k, it means the employee is taking home €50k. The taxes are more of a given, and are handled on the backend where the employee doesn’t need to worry about it. They apply for a job that makes €50k, and they know that’s how much they’ll take home. The taxes are already calculated for them, so they don’t need to worry about it.

    Same for things like sales tax. If you see an item on the shelf for $1.00, it’ll actually ring up as $1.08 (or higher, if their state also has a sales tax) at the register. So Americans are constantly reminded of how much they’re spending in taxes, because every single purchase they make is noticeably taxed and hits their bottom line. Whereas Europe just lists the post-tax amount. So Europeans don’t need to worry about sales tax, because it is already factored into the cost of the item. If they see something on the shelf for €1.00, it will only cost €1.00…

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  • [–] 88 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Of course. Your Democrats are our conservative parties, and your Republicans are our rightwinger/neo-nazi parties. And we have parties, left of the American spectrum that are mainstream.

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    [–] 68 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    As a foreigner I've been disgusted by all the American media surrounding Mamdani's campaign. Even from so called "liberal media" like the Washington post; it's been grotesque racist caricatures, overblown red scare taglines, and downright apocalyptic visions for a guy that wants, cheap fast buses and to tax the oligarchs.

    I can't believe the Ideological shit show that is America and it frightens me that they think it is their duty to export these ideas to other countries.

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    [–] 63 points 9 months ago

    Yes, it's called Social Democracy and the countries that apply it always have the highest standards of life.

    Don't let the billionaires bullshit you.

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  • [–] 62 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    “Here, taking care of one another through public programs isn’t radical socialism. It’s Tuesday.”

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    [–] 51 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I always found it absurd that in the richest country in the world, there is no universal health insurance, no parental leave, no public holidays, that a college education costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, that there is no protection against dismissal, that people are starving or working but still homeless because they cannot afford an apartment—all of this is inhumane, uncivilized, and a disgrace to the US, not its recipe for success; it is its downfall, as the current regime is demonstrating.

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It's the richest country in the history of humanity and all we did with it was oppress other nations, build a massive military, and sell the nation off to the rich. So far it's not a winning plan for anyone outside of the top 1%. Same shit, bigger piles of gold.

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    [–] 47 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There's absolutely nothing radical about Mamdani.

    All of his proposed policies are favored by the vast majority of Americans and normal in actually developed nations.

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    [–] 32 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Can confirm.
    By the way my country has an actual Communist Party with some representatives in government (not enough for anything really).

    And FYI EU politicians are learning from the US: the EU, either at top level or at countries' governments, is veering right as of late, towards the same fascism we now see in the US.
    So perhaps we shouldn't be so smug, not right now at least.

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    [–] 31 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    The whole "it's too expensive" thing is kind of nonsense. There are billionaires. We would get something for the money. It's not like Zohran is proposing building a 500 solid gold statue of himself, or a ballroom that would only be used by a handful of people. Healthcare, buses, grocery stores, those all actually help people and will lead to more good stuff later.

    People who stay healthy later go out to concerts and spend money, or whatever.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago*

    Giving money (especially in the form of services) to people who need it, immediatly injects money into the economy. Because needy people don't save big sums. When they have money to spend, they spend it. It remains in circulation, serving the economy until it reaches the hands of someone who can afford to not spend it. The very instant money reaches rich folk it could just as easily not exist anymore for all the good it does then.

    The US cannot afford tax breaks for the rich, but injecting money into services and payments for the poor has a really good return on investment for a country.

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    [–] 27 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    FOX is pushing HARD to paint him as a communist foreigner dictator.

    Its working perfectly on my parents who swear he is the anti Christ. While they worship drumpf.

    Help.

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    [–] 25 points 9 months ago

    The actual European policies the US is in dire need of importing, not the Orbán and Putin-style dismantling of secular democracies.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    As a European I'd see his policies as left wing but not as socialist, communist or whatever. And as a person who has been to New York countless times I would see anything that improves the quality of life such as public transport, childcare, food poverty as a generally good thing. Whether Mandani manages to pull it off and doesn't go to the dark side like every single other New York mayor remains to be seen.

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    [–] 21 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    You put Mamdani, Bernie, or AOC virtually anywhere in Europe, and they're slightly left leaning moderates.

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    [–] 19 points 9 months ago

    lol or for some child’s play. US far left ideas is basic in most countries.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Extreme left as defined in US falls somewhere around center-center right in EU on most issues.

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    [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    Am European; can confirm.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    Americans live in a world where their "left" is already pretty far right. Someone who isn't that right but more centre / mildly left I indeed consider normal. It's still kilometers (miles) away from far left.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Hopefully this is not news to Americans, but I guess it may be. Seems the entire country is in its own bubble, separated from what Europe is doing.

    We are just people, wanting mostly the same things.

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