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[–] 178 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Next, he’s going to say that he did repeat the oath, but he had his fingers crossed so it doesn’t count.

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  • [–] 96 points 2 years ago

    The Narcissist's Prayer:

    That didn't happen.
    And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
    And if it was, that's not a big deal.
    And if it is, that's not my fault.
    And if it was, I didn't mean it.
    And if I did, you deserved it.

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  • [–] 121 points 2 years ago (3 children)
  • [–] 96 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    They are arguing that the oath doesn't include the word "support" not that he didn't take the oath. Not saying it's a good argument but that's what they are actually arguing.

    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    Emphasis mine.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

    Their argument is that because he did not use the exact word "support" in respect to the Constitution, that he is not able to be excluded from holding office in the US even if he did commit seditious acts. He is saying that his oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution" is entirely different than an oath to "support" it. It's nonsense, but one judge (in Colorado, I believe?) has already provided legitimacy to that argument, so... the stupid argument now has judicial precedent.

    Edit: Correcting my mistake about the Judge's verdict. The judge did not uphold the argument that the Presidential oath was not to "support" the Constitution. Instead, the Judge was convinced by Trump's team that the President is not an "officer of the United States". Therefore, Trump took no oath as an Officer of the United States, and, thus, Section 3 of the 14th Amendment (which exclude someone who swore such an oath, who then incites an insurrection from holding federal or state office) simply doesn't apply to someone who has only sworn an oath as President.

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    [–] 94 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    "Because the framers chose to define the group of people subject to Section Three by an oath to 'support' the Constitution of the United States, and not by an oath to 'preserve, protect and defend' the Constitution, the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment never intended for it to apply to the President," Blue wrote.

    By the same token, the Second Amendment doesn't say "guns".

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    [–] 79 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    We're all dumber for having this guy around

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    [–] 76 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Republicans: “let’s vote for this guy”

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    [–] 60 points 2 years ago*

    "I don't stand behind anything." - Trump in the oval office, 2017

    So, yeah.

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  • [–] 50 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Yes, you did.We saw it. It was recorded. Stop lying, goddamn you.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    The sophistry here is that the presidential oath doesn't contain the word "support". It's complete bullshit but you never know with this SCOTUS.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not sure how support doesn't fall under "preserve, protect and defend" in every way that's meaningful

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    [–] 48 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The argument that I've heard from some prominent lawyers is that "preserve, protect and defend" was intended by the framers to be a stronger oath than "support" and that it should be construed as including "support". Hopefully the courts agree with that reasoning.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I can't comprehend how any American who calls himself a patriot can vote for this traitorous pig.

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    [–] 44 points 2 years ago

    Bam. Perjury.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    What a simpler time when we could all joke about Clinton arguing about the meaning of the word “is”.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    thing about that is, clinton actually had a point. he said "there is nothing going on between [he and monica lewinsky]" when asked, and was then accused of perjury. He argued that "is" meant "is", and because at the time of asking he and lewinsky didn't have an ongoing relationship he didn't lie.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    At least then we could argue about a lie being a lie, now it's all "he never said that (literally 4 seconds ago), if he did it's fine, if you're mad that's your fault, he never said it anyway. I like that he said it."

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    [–] 36 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Bullshit, traitor. Lock him up.

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    [–] 29 points 2 years ago

    If the Founders wanted Presidents removed for committing Insurrection they would have EXPLICITLY stated it in the Constitution! Just like how the EXPLICITLY allow people to own AR15 guns and how it's EXPLICITLY allowed to shoot up schools with those guns!

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    [–] 28 points 2 years ago

    I hope we see this in the political ads next year

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Harry & Lloyd, Laurel & Hardy, Trump & The Republican Party.

    Not sure which one's the dumbest.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Oh, so he was never the president then? I can dig that.

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    It's cool guys, he crossed his toes before he took the stand so it didn't count.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

    I mean, the word "support" doesn't appear there, although it's a stretch to say that "Preserve, protect, and defend" doesn't imply "support" also.

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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=ohgTEk9h1kc&t=36 wtf did I just watch then? Is this some weird DnD timeline, where you can roll to disbelieve?

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