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Google pulls the plug on first and second gen Nest Thermostats (www.techspot.com)
submitted 9 months ago by to c/homeassistant@lemmy.world
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Google announced the end of support for early Nest Thermostats in a support document earlier this year that largely flew under the radar. As of October 25, first and second generation units released in 2011 and 2012, respectively, will be unpaired and removed from the Google Nest or Google Home app.

Users will no longer be able to control their thermostats remotely via their smartphone, receive notifications, or change settings from a mobile device. End-of-support also disables third-party assistants and other cloud-based features including multi-device Eco mode and Nest Protect connectivity.

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[–] 43 points 9 months ago (1 child)

I bought it before it was Google. They bought it out from under me and then, predictably, discontinued it while it was still working fine.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I did, too. It was actively developed until those shitheads bought Nest. Then the only “upgrade” was to add clicking noises when changing the temperature that don’t respect the OS keyboard clicks setting.

    Just think how much bandwidth and computing and human resources they’re saving money on. Oh, wait, it’s hardly anything to change the temperature and they’re a billion dollar company. But how will they sell more if they don’t fuck over the early adopters?

    Belkin is pulling the same stunt with their Wemo switches and plugs.

    We understand this is a letdown, especially if you’ve relied on Wemo in your daily routine. Reliability and trust have always been central to Belkin, and we recognize that this transition may not reflect the experience you’ve come to expect from us. We are genuinely sorry for the disruption.

    Bullshit! If you cared you’d support your enthusiast customers. Again, we’re talking about very little resources and a very large company. Just leave these lies out of your announcement email.

    If they were genuinely sorry but still committed to pulling the plugs on the backend, they would ad least do this:

    When these companies want to cease updates and shutdown their servers, they should be required to:

    1. Provide a path to install open source or third party firmware
    2. Fully document the communication with the the device requires to function
    3. Allow pointing the device at an open source or third party server
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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I have to wonder if permanently losing the enthusiast/early adopter demographic is going to cause more damage in the long run than the cost of keeping those servers running.

    Google is big enough it doesn't matter, but Belkin could be shooting themselves in the foot.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Well, I’m the family IT person, and I’ll never recommend Belkin ever again. I’m asked throughout the year on tech buying decisions. There are plenty of other options out there.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Belkin was the go-to brand for iPod accessories in the 2000s. I had more than a few Belkin accessories for my 5th gen Video.

    Now that I think about it, I still have a wireless remote control with the iPod attachment hanging around somewhere, but I don't remember if it was Belkin or something else... 🤔

    Edit: Fuck me, apparently any records of it online have dropped off the face of the earth. I'll dig it out when I get home, I know where it is.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago*

    I have to wonder if permanently losing the enthusiast/early adopter demographic is going to cause more damage in the long run than the cost of keeping those servers running.

    They don't care, because that was never the point. The point was collecting your data and selling it. The 1g/2g units clearly didn't collect enough data. They make way more money doing that.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Yeah I had those wemo switches in my old house and their servers were unreliable as fuck all the time (app was straight garbage). I'm not even surprised they finally pulled the plug. They're on my shit list forever now.

    It costs more but I went hue and couldn't be happier. Spent too many years complaining about how it was expensive but God damn if they don't just work and Phillips I trust far more to not just shut shit down (and even if they did, I can still make them work since it's not proprietary).

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    • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Oh boy! I get a deal buying the replacement? Golly, google must really like me as a consumer.

    And my ecobee is arriving in two days.

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    • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    My ecobee thermostat arrives today

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    I swapped from Nest to Ecobee. Working in Home Assistant via HomeKit entirely on my local net. All is well. Thanks Google!

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    HomeKit :( from one corporate ecosystem to another

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I mean if it doesn't require cloud connectivity, then it just becomes the communication protocol right? I'd be fine with Google offering local only access as an alternative, but of course they only offer the newer model.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah that's fair, I just don't like any devices with network access at all.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Which is why youre on the internet right now typing that out?

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You ever see that comic with the guy popping out the well saying "Yet you participate in society. Curious!"?

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    • [–] 14 points 9 months ago

    I dunno? Although this was inevitable once Google borged Nest, I rejected the "you must now convert your Nest account to a shitborg account" prompts and my Nest gen2 is still quite happily talking to my Nest app?

    No doubt it will eventually die, but for now it's unaffected. Works fine.

    Fuck Google. Sideways. With a wire brush. Despicable vultures.

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    [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    local control via wifi or zigbee, nothing that connects to the internet.

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    [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    And that's what you get for buying IoT garbage, especially from a company with a track record for this type of thing.

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    • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    Smart 👏 Home 👏 Is 👏 A 👏 Scam

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    [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Home depot used to breakdown your front door to smash their thermostats. Now its so much less painful thru the internet.

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    [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    FUCK.

    I've been wanting to sell mine for ages and get the Honeywell Z-Wave one. Now I can't really do that. Fuck off Google.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Their resale value dropped to basically nil back when Google announced this 6-8 months ago.

    Not sure it's any consolation, but you wouldn't have made much unless you sold it a year ago.

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    • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    I got to thinking today about how my TiVo HD from 2006 still works fine. Strange how a company going out of business can still support decades old hardware, but a gazillionaire conglomerate like Google just “doesn’t have the resources”.

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    [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I got a Sensi thermostat 5 years ago. Very happy. Only trick is it doesn't work cut off from the internet, not even on the LAN. But you can still walk up and punch buttons. (Tested this last week. Might be a way around this.)

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    • [+] -11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Ah, I read these with a smile on my face because these problems never affect me...

    I have individual, manually controlled electric heaters in each room.

    Of course, the house heating is totally inefficient, and very expensive 🤔😉

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