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[–] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Lol this group is like “doesn’t matter” all of a sudden.

Wish I had the energy to go back to the old threads and reply to all the “IDF is lying” comments.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    First it was obviously Israel that purposefully fired at the hospital and a huge deal, then it slowly changed to "doesn't matter, it's Israel's fault anyway for starting the war".

    It's incredible

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Younger generation totally fine with Hamas attacking civilians but angry that Israel retaliated and attacked sites that launched rockets is pretty astounding.

    All up in arms that Palestinians are dying but not once asking why all the Palestinians were fine with Hamas digging tunnels and hiding military equipment in their backyards.

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    [–] 7 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    Now that Israel just openly declares it is bombing and invading hospitals, the fog of war bullshit really doesn't matter anymore.

    Maybe this one hospital strike was a rocket. What about all the other ones?

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, so maybe you're right, maybe I did steal money from your purse, push grandma down the stairs when she got in my way, left the milk out over night, shit in Dad's shoes while high on meth, smoked crack in the alley, slapped all my cousins alphabetically, poured cocaine on the dog, but I swear, I didn't smoke crack in my bedroom and I don't like being accused of things I didn't do!

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    My understanding is this lie was used by Hamas to isolate Israel from Arab nations where much of the public was frankly horrified by the brutal violence Hamas had aimed specifically at civilians. So no, it wasn't just "the one relatively inconsequential thing," it is a lie that has had serious consequences.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's also a large part of why people believe everything Hamas says (e.g. death tolls) while also refusing to believe anything Israel says.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The reason people believe Gazan death tolls is that they're found to be reliable by almost every organization working in the region. And the reason most people refuse to believe what Israel says without confirmation is because they've been caught lying on multiple occasions, many times going as far as fabricating evidence (remember the Al-Shifa calendar)?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    They're "found reliable", but not actually checked. Like, nobody actually checks Hamas' numbers; they just "confirm" them.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Confirming numbers comes from actually checking them.

    Pedanticism isn't a good look.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They don't, though. Check. They can't. No independent body can operate freely in Gaza, it's under Hamas control. They know that Hamas can rescind whatever meager access they have, and so they figure that humanitarian purpose is better satisfied by preserving access by not angering Hamas.

    But they don't have access to strike sites, they don't have access to morgues. Islam requires the dead be buried by nightfall, so there's simply no opportunity for independent observers to actually verify body counts. They're just demographically "verified" - "oh, we know about that many people lived in the apartment block, so X is a plausible figure for deaths." But that's not confirmation.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    No independent body can operate freely in Gaza, it's under Hamas control.

    Kind of like no independent journalists can investigate in Gaza about Israeli-built tunnels under a hospital under IDF control, right?

    This is one of the few both-sides arguments that can be legitimately made.

    Never mind the fact that Palestinians haven't had an election in Gaza in almost 20 years and a number of elected officials are in Israeli jails.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    This is the entire reason for the 10/7 attack. Israel is normalizing relations with Saudi Arabia and this was a planned and timed move by Hamas to try to stop that.

    It did not work.

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    [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    So glad the world's #1 childkillers didn't kill these particular kids. Props to the IDF and the Israeli government for not killing these specific people for no reason.

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