23% is unsure or has no opinion? Holy shit that's huge.
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The better headline is that only 30 percent blame Dems. That tells me that while many in MAGA won't admit to anyone that Reps did it, they aren't fooled into believing Dems did it.
An additional interesting poll would be how many Americans support the shut-down.
It’s probably tricky to question that. Nobody wants the government shut down. But we’re here cause somebody isn’t doing the right thing. So far the majority is blaming Trump, which gives Dems more leverage.
Nobody wants the government shut down
I mean, I personally am in favor of keeping the government shutdown until every ICE agent who's missing paychecks because of it has to quit and finds a different job, but admittedly opinion polls say that's probably still an outlier opinion at this point
Yeah, but that’s different than saying you want the government shut down as a blanket statement. You want the government open so long as it’s not enabling an authoritarian regime. But so long is that’s not possible, shut it down.
It’s probably easier to ask “who do you blame for the shutdown” and assume it’s the same people.
I thought I read that ICE has an exception to operate and be paid.
Nope, "ICE agents also go without pay." (arc). The exception ICE gets is that they have to keep working while they're not being paid.
The people that cut those checks get furloughed as well.
However, this admin doesn't give a shit about legality & ICE quite obviously doesn't either so they will likely be paying them under the table.
Along with all the other affected employees....
They got $50k sign on. They started with a years earnings. Wonder if the motivation for that is a situation exactly like this?
I don't think this administration plans stuff out that much, I think they did that just to burn up as much of the taxpayer money they got given in Trump's budget bill as quickly as possible.
Also, I just did some quick searching on that and it seems like they only started saying they'd do that sign on bonus at the very end of July, so a) not confirmed anyone's actually gotten it yet, b) what about all the ICE agents who started before this bonus?
Tons of MAGA simps and the Trump administration want the government shut down. It gives them another cover story for further firing of federal employees and withholding payments to programs they don't like since their initial wave is getting slowed down by the courts.
Yes, Taco explicitly said he wants to do irreversible damage to this country under cover of a shutdown and then of course, blame the Democrats.
Given Murc's Law, I'm sure the tankies, the centrists, plenty of Democrats, and of course the goddamned "liberal media" will give a great big assist to that blaming. That's in addition to, of course, the Republican Noise Machine...
Give it a few days and Fox will reprogram them to shift the blame. It’s a tale repeated ad infinitum.
Mike Johnson literally shut the government down days before the vote on the funding bill to prevent the discharge petition that would force the release of all the Epstein files.
Well, that's good. A whole lot of the fucking media has not been much help, that's for sure.
And I bet that 34 percent are the same knuckle-draggers that think the Big Gubbermint never did them no good anyhow, even if very many of them desperately depend on that very government...the "small government" propaganda is pervasive and it fucking works.
I'm sure almost everyone knows someone in their lives like this - they may even work directly for the government or directly for a major company that relies entirely on government and they will still be deep in denial and vote for Republicans reliably and preach the gospel of "small government" and bitch about people "on the dole", etc...
I remember asking someone that worked for Raytheon who was going on like this - "don't you work for the government, in truth?" This almost caused him to short out, he got so angry. Pretty simple question, really. Why so angry? He went on and on - "it's not government, it's the private sector!, etc." for a while, and I let him. Then I just asked him if he really thought Raytheon would survive without any government contracts. Also, why did he need a GOVERNMENT security clearance to do his job? What's that all about?
I could tell it really hit home. I mean, it's fair to ask, though. These kind of people are the types that will just start up with this dogma, completely unprompted, and I don't really know what they expect? People either getting triggered? Or giving a high-five and a "megadittoes!!!" whoop? But then they cannot field the most simple of questions that point out the disconnect...
That’s because it is on the republicans.
Just because the Republicans control both houses, and because the Republican president ordered Republicans in the legislature not to even meet to negotiate with the Democrats, and because the Republicans could easily avoid the shutdown by continuing the ACA subsidies that even over half of their own base wants, and because the Republican president was giddy about the possibility of a shutdown, somehow everyone is in a rush to blame Republicans for the shutdown that the Republicans almost unilaterally caused.
Anyone who blames democrats at this point might need to have their voter registration cards revoked. They don’t deserve to be treated like adults any longer.
The percentage of Americans that aren't potatoes still slightly higher than the percentage that are.
There is hope then that common sense will ultimately make a comeback. Media companies...lay off for a bit okay?
That’s because there are no real Republicans anymore— they’re all going to vote blue now if they aren’t a MAGA sycophant, and those numbers in REAL life are shrinking, not growing. Real people are fed up with this bullshit.
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