What about similar oddities in English?
(This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/193/ (link found by BunScientist@lemmy.zip)) Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.

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[–] 70 points 10 months ago (6 children)

My wife and I had a good snicker one time when I brought home edamame peas in the shell.

They were shelled, but she wanted them shelled.

Flammable/imflammable is another one that comes to mind.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    English has many contronyms.

    • Clip: to attach (clip X to Y) or detach (clip coupons)
    • Dust: to remove dust or to add it (dust the cake with icing sugar)
    • Fine: excellent (fine wine) or not great but decent (it's fine)
    • Left: remaining (I have 5 left) or gone (I had some but they left)
    • Oversight: supervision (he had oversight over the whole process) or lack of supervision (I forgot to do that, it was an oversight)
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    Pretty sure the past tense of "lead" is actually "led."

    Unless of course you're referring to the type of metal, lead, which I guess the meme isn't clear on.

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago (1 child)
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    This is the grammar thing I fuck up the most, and I don't call people on it because I'm pretty sure I don't know how it works. Autocorrect changes it & I just say "oh, whoops", and it still looks wrong...

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Here's a shortcut: test if you could drop "his" into the same spot and have it make sense. (And of course you'd never write hi's or his's.) If "his" would work, "its" would work.

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  • [–] 29 points 10 months ago* (8 children)

    Bought, caught, taught, fought, thought, sought, and wrought are all past tense verbs and all rhyme. The present tense forms are buy, catch, teach, fight, think, seek, and work, none of which rhyme.

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    [–] 24 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Fast can mean moving with great speed or fixed securely in place (among other things).

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago

    The Chaos by Gerard Nolst Trenité (1922)

    https://ncf.idallen.com/english.html

    Dearest creature in creation
    Studying English pronunciation,
    I will teach you in my verse
    Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse.

    I will keep you, Susy, busy,
    Make your head with heat grow dizzy;
    Tear in eye, your dress you'll tear;
    Queer, fair seer, hear my prayer.

    Pray, console your loving poet,
    Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!
    Just compare heart, hear and heard,
    Dies and diet, lord and word.
    ...

    Very long. Highly recommended

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    It's because the people who set the rules for the English language, could barely speak it.

    The first guy to popularize the printing press was Dutch, so the guy who bought England's first one didn't know how it worked and neither did any English speaker

    So he hired a bunch of Dutch who knew how to operate it.

    And they got a bunch of handwritten books and were told to mass reproduce them.

    Sometimes it was a mistake in the original, sometimes the typesetter made a mistake. Sometimes the writer just disagreed with how it should be written, and sometimes even the typesetters who couldn't speak English made choices to change it

    No one gave a fuck about accuracy, it was about pumping out as many books as possible. Because just owning a book was a huge status symbol still from when they were handwritten and crazy expensive.

    But all those books eventually got read, and the people who learned to read them were very proud that they could read. So they insisted that all the random bullshit was intentional and had to be followed to a T by everyone forever.

    Most other languages had a noble class who kept it sensical, but for a long ass time only peasants spoke English, the wealthy in England all spoke French, cuz they were French.

    Anyways, that's why English doesn't make any sense. There was also a natural thing happening where vowel pronunciation was changing. So when the typecasters solidified everything, it was already in a state of flux. That's why pronunciation doesn't line up with spelling.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    It certainly doesn't help that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.

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    [–] 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The primary accent for 2-syllable words that are used as both a noun and a verb depends on the part of speech. The noun places the primary accent on the 1st syllable, the verb on the 2nd syllable.

    Examples:
    The musician records a record.
    The farmer produces produce.
    You're not permitted to fish without a permit.

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    [–] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    One of my favourites is the word jam, which can mean:

    • A fruit preserve
    • Traffic that's stopped
    • To play music
    • A door that won't open
    • A difficult situation
    • To force something in somewhere it's not supposed to be
    • To interrupt a signal
    • Something you don't like or can't do ("that's not my jam")

    And probably others, all spelled and pronounced the same way but with wildly different meanings depending on the context.

    The other English thing I find super interesting is how there's a sort of unspoken but very clearly understood order to adjectives. So for example, if I say "The big old red wooden door" it works as a description, but if I say "The wooden old red big door" it sounds weird even though it's the same information. People aren't usually formally taught the order (as far as I know), but everyone seems to understand it.

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    [–] 13 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Welcome to english, where rules are actually the exceptions

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Where, were, we're. Even native speakers have problems with this. I don't know how many times I had to correct such cases, especially with American authors.

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    [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    English has way more vowel sounds than it has vowels.

    • jack
    • barn
    • arena
    • ball
    • able
    • rare

    Those are just words where the primary vowel letter is "a".

    The terrible attempt to solve this is by using double letters, but then consistency goes out the window. There's times when "ea" is a single vowel sound like /rid/ (reed) or /rɛd/ (red). But it can also be /ɛrn/ as in earn, which rhymes with urn and burn. It can be /ˈɡɹeɪt/ as in great, where the "ea" is a diphthong and pronounced like the "a" in grate or vague. Or, for more fun, the two letters can each fully get their own pronunciation like "react" or "theatre".

    We're really at the "bearn it all down and start over" stage with English. Let's just all agree to switch to español.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    "Read" and "readed."

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    "Read" is spelled s-a-m-e? English is a weird language.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Present: read

    Past: red (in the fediverse), redd (on the old site)

    Obvious.

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    [–] 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    The digraph oo is pronounced at least six different ways:

    • boot, proof, boost, scoop, moon
    • book, foot, look, cookie, good
    • floor, poor, door, moor
    • flood, blood
    • zoology, cooperative
    • brooch (just brooch; there doesn't seem to be any other word in the whole language using this sound for oo).
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    [–] 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    On a different note there is Reading, a football club in UK, which is pronounced "Redding". This pronunciation is akin to the Reading Railroad from Monopoly (which I mispronounced all my life until today).

    Little details, picked up along the way.

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    [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    Lead and lead as well. I got a lead on those lead undergarments you wanted. I'll lead you there later.

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    [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The English language is so retarded yet we use it for international communication, and it is too late to stop it.

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    [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Reed and Red

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Reed, red. Homophones should be homographs too.

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    [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    How about we go with reed and red... see, you already know how to pronounce them!

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