To help contribute, here's the only meme I've ever done, which I did in response to news that Abrams was working on a new ST movie. And after seeing how well the franchise is going with SNW and LD, I feel it's even more appropriate.

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[–] 88 points 2 years ago (5 children)

It was so insulting for him to come out and say he isn't a fan of the source material. Was it too much to ask to find someone who's passionate about Star Trek? I know they're out there.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Exactly! If he was not a fan of any of the 60 years of source material perhaps he should’ve stepped aside and let someone who cares about Star Trek contribute to it

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago

    Imo, instead of asking why he didn't step aside, I think the fault is on the studio executives for wanting to go in that direction in the first place. They clearly wanted a different direction to classic Trek, otherwise JJ wouldn't have been their choice.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    the guy who directed rogue one and the andor tv series isnt much of a fan of star wars, and those are two of the most acclaimed star wars projects since disney bought star wars

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Although I do really like both of those and would probably put them at the top of the current generation of SW, they feel much less like SW properties and a lot more like they're wearing a SW skin. Which, you know, is fine since it's actually good and doesn't destroy the property. Even if you don't like Andor, they're still making a ton of just regular Star Wars shit.

    JJ basically derailed Trek for those of us that actually like the type of thing Trek was doing for nearly a decade. Basically took until SNW to get an actual Trek show.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Star Wars is samurai movies with a skin on it. The whole thing is borrowed, in space. So it’s okay to have stories like Andor, Rogue One and Mando, etc because they mesh well with the general design of the universe.

    Lower Decks is as far as Star Trek as it can be, and yet it fits very well in the universe. Because it respects itself and respect the source material.

    JJ never respected the source material and the universe.

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    [–] 51 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I love me some JJ Abrams hate. The man deserves it all and sooo much more.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    What's annoying is that he's good at pacing and creating intrigue. He just never knows how stick the landing without turning the plot into swiss cheese.

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    Jorge is a fantastically creative guy. He needs limitations on that creativity, but he is undeniably a foundation of ideas.

    JJ Abrams mostly regurgitates without having any truly unique ideas. Anything unique he does have is either a subversion or an unfinished mystery concept that’s film student tier. Especially in Star Wars and Trek, he took a bunch of the most surface level aspects from the franchises and threw them in without really doing anything with them.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    His black box storytelling is garbage and the coincidence-based plot in that SW movie was unforgivable.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    What's even funnier is when he tells how he came up with his "mystery box" method. He tries to play it off as some kind of profound insightful story from his childhood about magic shops. But then he explains it as the magic shops would package the junk that didn't sell into an unmarked "mystery box" to create intrigue which duped people into buying it. He outright admits he's selling junk

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The man knows how to absolutely decimate a Starfleet vessel. I’m all for bringing him back if he’s just limited to 10 minutes of an unpowered ship tumbling in free fall towards a planet.

    Strange New Worlds is much better modern Star Trek, but you can’t say JJ didn’t take advantage of the theatrical scale of things.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I didn't hate the Kelvin movies, aesthetically though they were trash in that they took a scifi franchise known for inspiring good UI design and expanded upon it with absolutely horrendous UI. Seriously the computers and interiors of those ships are so ugly it hurts.

    Also, starfleet felt WAYYYYYYY too much like a military for me in those movies, there was no attempt to differentiate starfleet from a direct analog to the U.S. military and that just gives me that "kind of want to throw up" feeling every time I see it in star trek.

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    [–] 46 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    At least with Trek it was an alternate universe, rather than the canon he got his hands on with Wars.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Because of the nature of Trek, it was easy to retcon into an alternate universe. The world building in Star Wars didn't leave much room for that.

    Maybe they can keep ignoring it for another decade, then write it off as a vision from the Dark Side.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago*

    Yeah, it's kinda funny how the supposedly more fantastical Star Wars has no really out there things like time travel or alternate universes.

    It wasn't a retcon, though, it was conceived from the beginning as an alternate universe.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I've hated him since Lost. Possibly even Alias. Stupid mystery box bullcrap, Yeah, some unresolved mystery is fine. Your entire show shouldn't revolve around boatloads of them being insufficiently explained.

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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I think if he had done ALL 3 sequel trilogy movies for starwars, it woukd have turned out much better.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    JJ Abrams can only begin narratives. He has no idea how to solve any of his own mystery boxes.

    Look at anything he's ever done and you will probably not find a satisfying conclusion.

    He can start a narrative better than most creators, he just has no idea what do to with it once it's running.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    Eh I liked Star Trek 2009 and Force Awakens. I can get into how I dislike into darkness and episode 9 but not worth it.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I say give Zach Synder a wack at it.

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    [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    I also don't want Rian Johnson or Kathleen Kennedy anywhere near Star Wars or Star Trek anymore. Can we add them to the list as well.

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    [–] 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    The films really weren't that bad

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    They were very typical “J.J. Abram’s has no idea what a franchise is actually about”. He actually admitted not having seen any extra materials about the franchise before making the movies, and rehashed existing storylines because it’s safe.

    JJ Abrams is loved by the studios for the very same reasons he’s dreaded by the fans.

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