I feel like the people I interact with irl don't even know how to boot from a USB. People here probably know how to do some form of coding or at least navigate a directory through the command line. Stg I would bet money on the average person not even being able to create a Lemmy account without assistance.

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[–] 351 points 1 year ago (66 children)

The average person is becoming MORE technologically illiterate, not less. The era of growing up with a home computer that required fiddling and dial up, etc is over. People grow up with phones and iPads and kids come to school not knowing how to use a mouse.

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  • [–] 113 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And for that reason alone I built a Linux PC for my 11 year old and told him to go to town figuring things out. (I supervise everything of course). Dude has been doing fantastic so far.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    If he doesn't solve problems with chmod 777 then he's already more competent than the ops teams at my fortune 500 company

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I grew up starting my computer use having to navigate DOS just before windows 3.11 was released. I work in tech today and I feel like just knowing about a lot of the automated things we take for granted today has given me a little bit of an edge.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So a friend of mine went to a convention to show off his gaming project. The kids there were trying to touch the monitors to play the game. They didn't grab the keyboard and mouse. They didn't touch the controller. They touched the monitor. People's framework of what a computer is and what it's made of is completely different than what it use to be

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    Hate to say it, but that technical literacy from having to operate computers the difficult way was a small blip in history. So things are just kind of going back to "normal."

    Now, the only real natural entry into "computing" is gaming. Pretty much everything else has to come through formal education, which is largely myopic and boring.

    Don't think I've even worked with a gen Z engineer yet. I assume they exist.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    I have worked with a few gen z interns/fresh grads, and some younger millennials (I am a 1990 kid) and its interesting... Some of them have been very successful at passing the tests but have no mechanical aptitude at all. Some have been technically literate on first glance, then proven to be just confidently incorrect. In general though, it seems they just didn't grow up being interested in how things worked like I did. It could be isolated to my small sample size or it could be a general trend. They also don't seem to make connections across disciplines as easily either but again, that could just be a time in service thing at this point and not a generational trait.

    I have not been super impressed with the new ones we get when we get them, some of them have been quick learners though and have impressed me with their adaptability. I am a huge proponent of proper mentorships or rotational programs and that is something that seems to get overlooked with younger grads in my experience.

    One thing that really annoys me though, is that when prompted with something they don't know, they will spit out some randome bullshit rather than say they don't know. Saying I don't know is a completly acceptable answer as long as it is followed up with "but I will find out" or "can you help/explain it". Falling back to a first principle approach and talking through it is also valid but just making up some shit doesnt fly with me.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    You are absolutely right, but let's be clear here... it's not so much the lack of keyboard and mouse that's the problem... it's that these touchscreen devices don't let you actually DO anything. The devices you can use a keyboard and mouse on ALLOW you to play, customize, make mistakes, and learn. There's no reason a touchscreen device couldn't provide that too, but iOS and Android specifically forbid you from learning anything - that's a recipe for security holes! And THAT's the real skill they lack. Real competence means bending the endless possibilities to your will - not just being given 5 of the most common ones and being locked out of the rest.

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    [–] 127 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Something that amazes me that I often see is tech literate people wastly over estimating the tech literacy of an average person. Any amount of tech support would tell you that most people barley know the basics and doesn't care for anything else.

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    [–] 79 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Linux is second nature to us geeks, so it's easy to forget that the average person probably knows just Ubuntu or Fedora.

    And Debian GNU/Linux, of course.

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    [–] 78 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not me. I am so out of the loop here. But I loved the social aspect of reddit and was on it long enough to know how great it was when it was young. Hoping to find that here.

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    Honestly, Lemmy does have a lot of the early Reddit vibes. Reddit was largely started as a programming forum, and this user base definitely has a lot of similar traits.

    And if you start using user tags, (not native to Lemmy, but most clients have the functionality added,) you’ll realize just how active users are, and how tight-knit the comments sections really are. I often end up finding myself responding to the same 10-20 users.

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    [–] 66 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I can’t do any of the stuff you mentioned. I’m here because I hate traditional social media that are not social at all. And I hate ads. And have an interest in community driven stuff and DIY.

    And I don’t feel like I am alone here.

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    [–] 56 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    Relevant xkcd: Average familiarity

    You severly overestimate the average persons tech literacy even when you try to correct for it. Booting from USB is already a really advanced topic.

    Though creating a lemmy account is not that complex. Typically all you have to do is fill out a form on the websiten instructions included. The problem there is not the tech literacyn but the willingness of the people to even interact with systems they don't know, like finding a home instance or understanding the concept of the fediverse. Most people could create a lemmy account, though also most people wouldn't.

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    [–] 51 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The average person can't even download the right authenticator app when prompted. The average person can't type their password the same way two times in a password change field. The average person does not know how to plug monitors and peripherals into a docking station.

    Whatever you think the average skill level is? It's lower than that. By a lot.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I work electronics in walmart and you would be shocked at the questions I get on things like laptops from collage age kids. A very frequent one is 'if it isn't touchscreen then how do you work it'. One of my favorite ever was a girl who went down the line asking can you type on them because i need to be able to type. Every time I told her you can type on all laptops but she just kept asking.

    I know a huge part of it is some kind of 'location bias' because the kids who know something about computers are shopping online or at microcenter or something.

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    [–] 39 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    You are completely correct and their comments prove it. The bubble is strong here. But it’s a pretty nice bubble

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    [–] 38 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Don't worry, my fair tech-literate maiden. I, a tech-dyslexic, am here to bring down the collective IQ and make the chamber echo less. You can thank me later, for adding some much needed intellectual diversity to the mix.

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    [–] 30 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    *with strong beliefs on random topics

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    My own experience, as someone who is not necessarily tech illiterate, but also not an expert either:

    I decided to check out some basic Linux stuff, and found a post directing newcomers to a website that was supposed to be a top-notch beginner's guide. This guide started with a history of Linux, written in the style of an early 2000s GameFAQs guide. It then jumped immediately into selecting a distro, and started describing each option with terms like "lightweight"and "robust" without explaining what those terms meant in that context - or even defining what a distro was in the first place.

    As someone who has used Windows for around 3 decades, I could make some inferences to fill in the gaps. But I imagine someone with less experience with PCs would get completely lost.

    Now on the flip side, I've also shared in another thread the story of how I lost interest in programming partway through my introductory university course, and mostly received positive feedback. The folks in that thread seemed happy to hear the perspective of an outsider.

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    [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    Not my fault. Reddit pushed me here!

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    makes sense, since Linux users (me) are drawn to foss projects like moths to a light

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I am not tech literate but here I am.

    imposter

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    [–] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Anonymity and the general public do not mix. Barrier to entry is all we have left.

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    [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    The average person nowadays could not create and reliably access a Facebook account if they didn't have auto complete/password save.

    The worst is twenty-year-olds that have never used a desktop. They just stare at the mouse, keyboard, and monitor like they have no clue what to do.

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    [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why would normal people know how to boot from usb? Shit, if you clean the ads out of a windows start menu, a normie will think you're a wizard for doing the inconceivable.

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I don't think it's an echo chamber, I think you are wrong about that. The proof is that I am disagreeing with you right now. Therefore, not an echo chamber.

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    This is true but I ultimately don't care.

    Is there any social media site that isn't an echo chamber? They're designed that way on purpose in most cases.

    There are enough forums catering to idiots. I appreciate the better moderation, tech savviness, and lack of tolerance for right wing BS on Lemmy.

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I just don't understand how it's more "techy" than Reddit. I just want our user count to keep going up.

    I think we should focus less on hyping federation/decentralization and more on how there are no ads and the content is really coming from actual users (and maybe a leftist bias).

    I got a few friends on here by explaining that choosing a server is no different from choosing an email provider. Everyone understands email, that you can communicate with most other email users no matter what their provider is.

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    [–] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    "Whats the best tool for..."

    "Linux!!!"

    "Haven't yet said what I'm trying to build"

    "Pls just upvote me and tell me I'm good"

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    For the past month I've been developing a NixOS platform for local businesses.

    I keep overestimating how much people know. It's infuriating trying to wrap my mind around the fact that I don't need to explain why it's amazing, just that it is, and it works. I feel like I'm Mugatu talking to Zoolander at times.

    Even if I could perfectly analogise what a declarative operating system is, it wouldn't matter to a client because they don't understand how a non NixOS machine works.

    Though, the worst part is trying to explain to someone, who is "happy with Windows" why they should not be.

    How the fuck do people in 2025 not fucking loathe Windows? There's fucking ads in the start menu. There's like 4 different places to change settings. The systems bloat and slow to a crawl as the OS ages.

    It's fucked.

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My mom is a tech literate echo chamber lmao

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