I feel like the people I interact with irl don't even know how to boot from a USB. People here probably know how to do some form of coding or at least navigate a directory through the command line. Stg I would bet money on the average person not even being able to create a Lemmy account without assistance.

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[–] 351 points 1 year ago (41 children)

The average person is becoming MORE technologically illiterate, not less. The era of growing up with a home computer that required fiddling and dial up, etc is over. People grow up with phones and iPads and kids come to school not knowing how to use a mouse.

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  • [–] 113 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And for that reason alone I built a Linux PC for my 11 year old and told him to go to town figuring things out. (I supervise everything of course). Dude has been doing fantastic so far.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If he doesn't solve problems with chmod 777 then he's already more competent than the ops teams at my fortune 500 company

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh, but you gotta drop a chmod nuke at least once to feel the terror having done something irreversible. As a bonus, you’ll also gain a brand new appreciation for snapshots.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I grew up starting my computer use having to navigate DOS just before windows 3.11 was released. I work in tech today and I feel like just knowing about a lot of the automated things we take for granted today has given me a little bit of an edge.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I had to walk to school in the snow ten miles, both ways uphill!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    You mustn't have been paying attention, Lt Dan ain't got no legs, that doesn't preclude him from having feet

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So a friend of mine went to a convention to show off his gaming project. The kids there were trying to touch the monitors to play the game. They didn't grab the keyboard and mouse. They didn't touch the controller. They touched the monitor. People's framework of what a computer is and what it's made of is completely different than what it use to be

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    Hate to say it, but that technical literacy from having to operate computers the difficult way was a small blip in history. So things are just kind of going back to "normal."

    Now, the only real natural entry into "computing" is gaming. Pretty much everything else has to come through formal education, which is largely myopic and boring.

    Don't think I've even worked with a gen Z engineer yet. I assume they exist.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I have worked with a few gen z interns/fresh grads, and some younger millennials (I am a 1990 kid) and its interesting... Some of them have been very successful at passing the tests but have no mechanical aptitude at all. Some have been technically literate on first glance, then proven to be just confidently incorrect. In general though, it seems they just didn't grow up being interested in how things worked like I did. It could be isolated to my small sample size or it could be a general trend. They also don't seem to make connections across disciplines as easily either but again, that could just be a time in service thing at this point and not a generational trait.

    I have not been super impressed with the new ones we get when we get them, some of them have been quick learners though and have impressed me with their adaptability. I am a huge proponent of proper mentorships or rotational programs and that is something that seems to get overlooked with younger grads in my experience.

    One thing that really annoys me though, is that when prompted with something they don't know, they will spit out some randome bullshit rather than say they don't know. Saying I don't know is a completly acceptable answer as long as it is followed up with "but I will find out" or "can you help/explain it". Falling back to a first principle approach and talking through it is also valid but just making up some shit doesnt fly with me.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    is that when prompted with something they don't know, they will spit out some randome bullshit rather than say they don't know

    This is just the majority of people, not specific to any generation. Our minds are predisposed to use inductive reasoning to explain the world around us. We see something new and our brain immediately begins to make inferences based on prior information we believe we know (I say it this way cause our memories are incredibly faulty) that we think is relevant or comparable.

    It's essentially the Dunning Kruger effect: we think we know more than we do and, because of this, believe we can simply assume correctly about other things we know nothing about.

    It's an incredibly bad habit that is supposed to be trained out of us through our education systems but we all know how incredibly faulty those systems are.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The education system as I lived through it in Texas was actively hostile to saying you didn't know, it was treated as being worse than being wrong or guessing. You can tell by the results allllllll around us.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    You are absolutely right, but let's be clear here... it's not so much the lack of keyboard and mouse that's the problem... it's that these touchscreen devices don't let you actually DO anything. The devices you can use a keyboard and mouse on ALLOW you to play, customize, make mistakes, and learn. There's no reason a touchscreen device couldn't provide that too, but iOS and Android specifically forbid you from learning anything - that's a recipe for security holes! And THAT's the real skill they lack. Real competence means bending the endless possibilities to your will - not just being given 5 of the most common ones and being locked out of the rest.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm extremely young, I don't know how shit works, like at all. Because stuff works pretty well nowadays. Cannot imagine not knowing how to use a mouse. It could not be simpler imo. Can't remember a time that I didn't know lol

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why there now exists "iPad Kid".

    That a friend I know of has a lot of his kids entirely on smartphones, while their family PC is hidden behind cobwebs and dust; if they want a document printed they just go out to some print shop.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    if they want a document printed they just go out to some print shop.

    In fairness, it can be expensive to stock the holy water necessary to fend off the demons that inhabit all printers.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Imagine studying at uni for years to become a programmer, only to be replaced by a vibe coder with an iPhone.
    But remember, hard work always pays off!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Wait, does that mean that we millennials are actually going to be remembered for something good ?^*

    We better find a cool name... the golden generation of tech? The tech overlords?

    ^* obviously i think we are cool

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