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[–] 139 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Huge correlation with AIPAC being their top donors, fyi.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Find me a politician on the US national stage who isn't funded by AIPAC.

    Massie doesn't count.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, Rashida Tlaib, Summer Lee, AOC (though she's compromised with the party leadership on Israel's genocide to an abhorrent degree nonetheless), Ayanna Presley, Cory Bush (successfully primaried over it) and Jamaal Bowman (ditto), and everyone else not listed here.

    They're a small minority for sure, but they exist and pretending otherwise just feeds into the manipulative establishment "electability" narrative that they use to poison the public against progressive candidates.

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    [–] 81 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Why the fuck is schumer still in office?! Hes the very definition of a dickless, useless democrat. Fuck that guy, just get lost useless boomer, let someone who gives a shit take the seat.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    He's WORSE than useless. Not only is he a Manchin level shill for fossil fuel interests, he's said that his job is to "keep the left Pro Israel", a statement so blatant that he'd call out anyone ascribing that sentiment to him for using the antisemitic "dual loyalty" trope.

    There's literally REPUBLICANS in Congress right now that are less awful than he is! Imagine that: the Senate leader of what the Dem leadership pretends to be the Left being worse than some actual fascists 🤬

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    [–] 76 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    With the current political climate USA is in, it might weaken him to get endorsements from the establishment.

    Their masks are coming off. Voting in line with republicans and being vocal against anything progressive.

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  • [–] 69 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Okay, just hear me out for a second.... I completely agree they should endorse him, but rather than just saying they are irreverent (though this may actually be the case) I would like to know in clear and concise terms WHY they are waiting/failing to endorse the man whom was chosen by the people. I think knowing why they won't endorse him is very relevant to the discussion. Eith

    TLDR; their silence is very telling.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    I don't know about the rest of them, though I certainly have my suspicions, but with gillibrand it's very clearly just racism. That interview she gave was extremely telling.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    They've given interviews. According to them, Mamdani hasn't yet proven his viability among the general population, he only won a primary where 15% of the DNC participated with a plurality vote of 43%. Furthermore, some of them represent districts that hardlined against Mamdani such as neighborhoods in the southeastern part of Brooklyn. Mamdani won Brooklyn overall but the difference between neighborhoods he won and lost were very stark.

    I agree with you, though, that they should endorse Mamdani. Any concerns about his type of socialism can be easily quelled with Mamdani's clear opposition to "communist countries".

    Not endorsing Mamdani is just asking to split the vote and give Republicans the chance to fuck everything up.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't like 'viability among gen pop'. It's like assessing his electability. Doesn't matter, he was chosen in a democratic primary vote. He's the democratic candidate for mayor. If they expect us to fall in line and vote blue, they need to fall in line and endorse blue.

    Rich fucks

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    "electability" was always a sham. It is exclusively used by millionaire news pundits and NYT writers to tell primary voters not to vote for the candidate with the policy that immediately improves the material conditions of the most people because of an imaginary cohort of "centrists" and "moderate republicans" who are terrified of anything good like free healthcare, child care, college, rent-control, and taxes on billionaires, but will totally vote for the version of those policies that will help nobody.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Just looked up the bright blue square on Brooklyn - it's Borough Park: "home to one of the largest Orthodox Jewish communities outside Israel, with one of the largest concentrations of Jews in the United States"

    Hmm! I don't think it's his policies they are against...

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago*

    That kind of reasoning makes sense to not endorse him in a run off.

    But in the general election? He's got your party's nomination, so back your party. Your Cuomo boy got primaried, get over it. (Edit: the 'your' in this sentence applies to the party members listed in the OP, not the commenter and/or OP)

    This is just money talking. Rich people don't like the ones that look like they won't bend to them. Hopefully he continues to not.

    Also, this is yet another reason I don't associate with political parties. Super not a fan of them. It's the system we got, and I do vote with the dual party power structure in mind, but you'll never see me signed up in one.

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    [–] 54 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Did those politicians say "vote blue no matter who" or was that people online in an effort to avoid gestures broadly?

    Genuine question, they've always been massive disappointments who would benefit from that.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I specifically said "vote blue no matter who", because while yes, there are Establishment Democrats that exist, Extermination Republicans are quite objectively fucking worse.

    Because if Fascist 47 wasn't in office, we could at least try to get shit done, instead of putting out 17+ daily fires.

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    [–] 47 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you primary these establishment fucks out you don't have this problem.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    This. We've seen what republicans want to do. We need to stop them and vote 'not-republican' when we can before the ability to do so is gone. The problem is we cannot stop there and only vote every 2-4 years for the least-bad option, we need to make better options. "Both sides" is reductive and hides the problem.

    Get involved: find and support people who have your views for all offices: city, county, state, federal, maybe even HOA. Most of these are important. If the incumbent is not working for us, we need to fight them and suggest someone better. If the incumbent is unchallenged, then that's a travesty and they need a primary, if the same party, or an opponent.

    For the a while now we've seen the 'left' chase the 'center' and people like OP are mad at this. The solution is not 'vote blue no matter who', but that is a bandage to slow the bleeding and will resonate with the less-involved allies we have. The solution is to prove that we are the majority and push our own into leadership roles where they can make things better.

    If you're angry right now, run for office or canvas for someone who is. Being mad, depressed or just bitching online isn't fixing anything. You can make things better, and it starts with finding a 'blue' worth voting for.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Add them to the list.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is one of those situations where not certifying the guy and just getting out of the way is an absolutely terrible idea if you enjoy your position. He got young voters out. The same people who are pretty decent at getting out and organizing for protests and with the way things are going these fish may grow teeth. Maybe not sharks, though no one messes with piranhas all the same.

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    [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Thankfully they self-identify as those who need to be replaced

    Saves a little time

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    [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    New York resident here. Hakeem Jeffries has always sucked. As does Kathy Hochul. Complete garbage.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Adams is still their pick, even if he's (I). They just put Cuomo up under (D) to try to beat the leftist since Adams is now shamed.

    Trust me, the Dem establishment is just fine with Adams as mayor of NYC.

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Hopefully they all become irrelevant sooner or later.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    It's always been the same fear mongering strategy dems and Repubs have always used. Today it's just very effective.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Ah, but if you said anything against the blue (but not in favor of red), you were the vile, evil... CENTRIST! (I.e. a label just applied to you to single you out for not blindly agreeing with the zeitgeist.) Seriously, the front page of Lemmy for a good while was just toxic political "VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO" and if you didn't agree, you were just a problem.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    The critical part of 'vote blue no matter who' is the voting part. That's the game plan short-term when it's election season.

    That does not preclude criticizing the incumbents. Or even the candidates. But no matter how you feel about them, you vote for them to stave off misery, and encourage everyone around you to do the same.

    Not voting for them sends a message, but it's the wrong message - and that message is that the populace prefers the GOP. Stop fascism in its tracks and vote blue. Fight for actual progress by doing what you can to forward actual progressive candidates and policies. Like NYC is doing right now.

    It boggles my mind how people seem to be incapable of wrapping their head around that concept, and instead continue to insist that we shouldn't be voting for DNC candidates because


    uh - it'll make things better??? Somehow??? At this point, the willful ignorance is starting to smack of sealioning.

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Vote blue so, Maintain the status quo!

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