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[–] Godric@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (3 children) Did those politicians say "vote blue no matter who" or was that people online in an effort to avoid gestures broadly? Genuine question, they've always been massive disappointments who would benefit from that. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago* (2 children) I specifically said "vote blue no matter who", because while yes, there are Establishment Democrats that exist, Extermination Republicans are quite objectively fucking worse. Because if Fascist 47 wasn't in office, we could at least try to get shit done, instead of putting out 17+ daily fires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] OCATMBBL@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (2 children) Rebrand: Vote Blue, because what else can you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago I mean it might work with Luigi pic in the background. But we all know that won't happen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) A lot actually but that would require people to get politically educated and we all know how well that has worked out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Vote blue it’s the least you can do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago* Lol, no. Miss me with that "blue MAGA" talk permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago And leave the house permalink fedilink source parent [–] krashmo@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children) So what were we doing for the last 50 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Fascist 47 hasn't been the president that long, and anyone with a brain knew he would tear this country down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (5 children) How was he able to do that? How does he have so much more power than democratic presidents? Genuine question bc all my brain says is that the dem potus' don't want change. 45/47 was able to really rock the boat the wrong way, why couldn't 46 make this much change in the other direction? 44?... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) How was he able to do that? How does he have so much more power than democratic presidents? Dems and the Dem base run on the idea of an actual government with laws and standards. Dems sometimes violate those laws, but with plausible deniability in the vein of lawyers. The GOP and the GOP base runs on the idea that hurting people is the highest good, and that laws are just a means to an end. They used to have more of the "lawyerly plausible deniability" strain about them, but Trump and his ghoulish following have dispensed with that, as they're convinced that laws are a secret liberal plot to stop America from becoming a White Man's Country once again. Basically, the GOP doesn't give a fuck about all the rules the Dems follow, and the GOP base won't electorally punish them for it, because the GOP base is made of fascists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago One side is trying to govern, the other side is trying to win... permalink fedilink source parent [–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 year ago Three things. Trump is doing a lot of things that are technically within his powers as long as there is an emergency. Trump is declaring everything an emergency. A lot of what Trump is doing is trying to tear down parts if the executive branch. The only real recourse to that is an active Congress, but the House and Senate are governed by his party and can choose not to act while the President tears down everything. A lot of what Trump is trying to do is unconstitutional, but he's got a neutered Supreme Court and would probably quote President Jackson if the Court consistently ruled against Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago Because half the shit he's doing is illegal and 46 would not break the law so fragrantly and repeatedly, and when shot down he listened to the courts. Republicans have control of every branch. permalink fedilink source parent [+] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Because after Trump's first term, including the failed coup, when nothing happened to them, the republicans came to a startling realization: no matter what they do there are no consequences, because the democrats refuse to enforce any. For decades they've worked to be either technically within the law, or carefully over the line in ways that are both deniable and difficult to prosecute. But during Trump's first term, it became apparent they don't need to do that anymore. They can do whatever the fuck they want and no one will impose any consequences. Even if someone stops them in the moment, they just get to try again. And it's all because democrats are too concerned with decorum and looking polite. So why can't democrats do the same? Cause you bet your britches the republicans will hold them to account if they start doing whatever they want. Republicans would love that. They would be thrilled to lock up most of the democrats. But given the opportunity and very real justification for doing so, the democrats just...didn't do it to the republicans. permalink fedilink source parent [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Well for starters we haven't had a Democrat senate supermajority without caucus since 1979, we haven't even given them 50 since 2012-2013, and now everything is going to shit, so... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago I'm gonna repeat this again. Have not had more than 50 in over a decade. Why would you allow the simple majority rule when you're literally outnumbered? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soulg@ani.social 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You can't possibly be equating the current situations with anything in the past permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] krashmo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago The present doesn't exist without the past. Our current situation is just as much about the Dems failure to significantly alter the course of our country as it is the GOPs efforts to undermine democracy. One does not follow without the other. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago Not specifically, no. Though in 2020 and ‘24 they were definitely on about party unity permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tinidril@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago Anyone who has ever used that phrase un-ironically is politically tone deaf, or a Republican agent. I get the sentiment, and even agree with it, but it doesn't communicate what people who use it think it does. The kind of people who use that phrase are the ones I blame most for gestures broadly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago* (2 children) I specifically said "vote blue no matter who", because while yes, there are Establishment Democrats that exist, Extermination Republicans are quite objectively fucking worse. Because if Fascist 47 wasn't in office, we could at least try to get shit done, instead of putting out 17+ daily fires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] OCATMBBL@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (2 children) Rebrand: Vote Blue, because what else can you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago I mean it might work with Luigi pic in the background. But we all know that won't happen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) A lot actually but that would require people to get politically educated and we all know how well that has worked out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Vote blue it’s the least you can do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago* Lol, no. Miss me with that "blue MAGA" talk permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago And leave the house permalink fedilink source parent [–] krashmo@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children) So what were we doing for the last 50 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Fascist 47 hasn't been the president that long, and anyone with a brain knew he would tear this country down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (5 children) How was he able to do that? How does he have so much more power than democratic presidents? Genuine question bc all my brain says is that the dem potus' don't want change. 45/47 was able to really rock the boat the wrong way, why couldn't 46 make this much change in the other direction? 44?... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) How was he able to do that? How does he have so much more power than democratic presidents? Dems and the Dem base run on the idea of an actual government with laws and standards. Dems sometimes violate those laws, but with plausible deniability in the vein of lawyers. The GOP and the GOP base runs on the idea that hurting people is the highest good, and that laws are just a means to an end. They used to have more of the "lawyerly plausible deniability" strain about them, but Trump and his ghoulish following have dispensed with that, as they're convinced that laws are a secret liberal plot to stop America from becoming a White Man's Country once again. Basically, the GOP doesn't give a fuck about all the rules the Dems follow, and the GOP base won't electorally punish them for it, because the GOP base is made of fascists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago One side is trying to govern, the other side is trying to win... permalink fedilink source parent [–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 year ago Three things. Trump is doing a lot of things that are technically within his powers as long as there is an emergency. Trump is declaring everything an emergency. A lot of what Trump is doing is trying to tear down parts if the executive branch. The only real recourse to that is an active Congress, but the House and Senate are governed by his party and can choose not to act while the President tears down everything. A lot of what Trump is trying to do is unconstitutional, but he's got a neutered Supreme Court and would probably quote President Jackson if the Court consistently ruled against Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago Because half the shit he's doing is illegal and 46 would not break the law so fragrantly and repeatedly, and when shot down he listened to the courts. Republicans have control of every branch. permalink fedilink source parent [+] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Because after Trump's first term, including the failed coup, when nothing happened to them, the republicans came to a startling realization: no matter what they do there are no consequences, because the democrats refuse to enforce any. For decades they've worked to be either technically within the law, or carefully over the line in ways that are both deniable and difficult to prosecute. But during Trump's first term, it became apparent they don't need to do that anymore. They can do whatever the fuck they want and no one will impose any consequences. Even if someone stops them in the moment, they just get to try again. And it's all because democrats are too concerned with decorum and looking polite. So why can't democrats do the same? Cause you bet your britches the republicans will hold them to account if they start doing whatever they want. Republicans would love that. They would be thrilled to lock up most of the democrats. But given the opportunity and very real justification for doing so, the democrats just...didn't do it to the republicans. permalink fedilink source parent [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Well for starters we haven't had a Democrat senate supermajority without caucus since 1979, we haven't even given them 50 since 2012-2013, and now everything is going to shit, so... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago I'm gonna repeat this again. Have not had more than 50 in over a decade. Why would you allow the simple majority rule when you're literally outnumbered? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soulg@ani.social 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You can't possibly be equating the current situations with anything in the past permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] krashmo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago The present doesn't exist without the past. Our current situation is just as much about the Dems failure to significantly alter the course of our country as it is the GOPs efforts to undermine democracy. One does not follow without the other. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OCATMBBL@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (2 children) Rebrand: Vote Blue, because what else can you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago I mean it might work with Luigi pic in the background. But we all know that won't happen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) A lot actually but that would require people to get politically educated and we all know how well that has worked out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Vote blue it’s the least you can do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago* Lol, no. Miss me with that "blue MAGA" talk permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago And leave the house permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago I mean it might work with Luigi pic in the background. But we all know that won't happen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) A lot actually but that would require people to get politically educated and we all know how well that has worked out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Vote blue it’s the least you can do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago* Lol, no. Miss me with that "blue MAGA" talk permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago And leave the house permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Vote blue it’s the least you can do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago* Lol, no. Miss me with that "blue MAGA" talk permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago* Lol, no. Miss me with that "blue MAGA" talk permalink fedilink source parent
[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children) So what were we doing for the last 50 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Fascist 47 hasn't been the president that long, and anyone with a brain knew he would tear this country down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (5 children) How was he able to do that? How does he have so much more power than democratic presidents? Genuine question bc all my brain says is that the dem potus' don't want change. 45/47 was able to really rock the boat the wrong way, why couldn't 46 make this much change in the other direction? 44?... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) How was he able to do that? How does he have so much more power than democratic presidents? Dems and the Dem base run on the idea of an actual government with laws and standards. Dems sometimes violate those laws, but with plausible deniability in the vein of lawyers. The GOP and the GOP base runs on the idea that hurting people is the highest good, and that laws are just a means to an end. They used to have more of the "lawyerly plausible deniability" strain about them, but Trump and his ghoulish following have dispensed with that, as they're convinced that laws are a secret liberal plot to stop America from becoming a White Man's Country once again. Basically, the GOP doesn't give a fuck about all the rules the Dems follow, and the GOP base won't electorally punish them for it, because the GOP base is made of fascists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago One side is trying to govern, the other side is trying to win... permalink fedilink source parent [–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 year ago Three things. Trump is doing a lot of things that are technically within his powers as long as there is an emergency. Trump is declaring everything an emergency. A lot of what Trump is doing is trying to tear down parts if the executive branch. The only real recourse to that is an active Congress, but the House and Senate are governed by his party and can choose not to act while the President tears down everything. A lot of what Trump is trying to do is unconstitutional, but he's got a neutered Supreme Court and would probably quote President Jackson if the Court consistently ruled against Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago Because half the shit he's doing is illegal and 46 would not break the law so fragrantly and repeatedly, and when shot down he listened to the courts. Republicans have control of every branch. permalink fedilink source parent [+] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Because after Trump's first term, including the failed coup, when nothing happened to them, the republicans came to a startling realization: no matter what they do there are no consequences, because the democrats refuse to enforce any. For decades they've worked to be either technically within the law, or carefully over the line in ways that are both deniable and difficult to prosecute. But during Trump's first term, it became apparent they don't need to do that anymore. They can do whatever the fuck they want and no one will impose any consequences. Even if someone stops them in the moment, they just get to try again. And it's all because democrats are too concerned with decorum and looking polite. So why can't democrats do the same? Cause you bet your britches the republicans will hold them to account if they start doing whatever they want. Republicans would love that. They would be thrilled to lock up most of the democrats. But given the opportunity and very real justification for doing so, the democrats just...didn't do it to the republicans. permalink fedilink source parent [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Well for starters we haven't had a Democrat senate supermajority without caucus since 1979, we haven't even given them 50 since 2012-2013, and now everything is going to shit, so... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago I'm gonna repeat this again. Have not had more than 50 in over a decade. Why would you allow the simple majority rule when you're literally outnumbered? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soulg@ani.social 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You can't possibly be equating the current situations with anything in the past permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] krashmo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago The present doesn't exist without the past. Our current situation is just as much about the Dems failure to significantly alter the course of our country as it is the GOPs efforts to undermine democracy. One does not follow without the other. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Fascist 47 hasn't been the president that long, and anyone with a brain knew he would tear this country down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (5 children) How was he able to do that? How does he have so much more power than democratic presidents? Genuine question bc all my brain says is that the dem potus' don't want change. 45/47 was able to really rock the boat the wrong way, why couldn't 46 make this much change in the other direction? 44?... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) How was he able to do that? How does he have so much more power than democratic presidents? Dems and the Dem base run on the idea of an actual government with laws and standards. Dems sometimes violate those laws, but with plausible deniability in the vein of lawyers. The GOP and the GOP base runs on the idea that hurting people is the highest good, and that laws are just a means to an end. They used to have more of the "lawyerly plausible deniability" strain about them, but Trump and his ghoulish following have dispensed with that, as they're convinced that laws are a secret liberal plot to stop America from becoming a White Man's Country once again. Basically, the GOP doesn't give a fuck about all the rules the Dems follow, and the GOP base won't electorally punish them for it, because the GOP base is made of fascists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago One side is trying to govern, the other side is trying to win... permalink fedilink source parent [–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 year ago Three things. Trump is doing a lot of things that are technically within his powers as long as there is an emergency. Trump is declaring everything an emergency. A lot of what Trump is doing is trying to tear down parts if the executive branch. The only real recourse to that is an active Congress, but the House and Senate are governed by his party and can choose not to act while the President tears down everything. A lot of what Trump is trying to do is unconstitutional, but he's got a neutered Supreme Court and would probably quote President Jackson if the Court consistently ruled against Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago Because half the shit he's doing is illegal and 46 would not break the law so fragrantly and repeatedly, and when shot down he listened to the courts. Republicans have control of every branch. permalink fedilink source parent [+] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Because after Trump's first term, including the failed coup, when nothing happened to them, the republicans came to a startling realization: no matter what they do there are no consequences, because the democrats refuse to enforce any. For decades they've worked to be either technically within the law, or carefully over the line in ways that are both deniable and difficult to prosecute. But during Trump's first term, it became apparent they don't need to do that anymore. They can do whatever the fuck they want and no one will impose any consequences. Even if someone stops them in the moment, they just get to try again. And it's all because democrats are too concerned with decorum and looking polite. So why can't democrats do the same? Cause you bet your britches the republicans will hold them to account if they start doing whatever they want. Republicans would love that. They would be thrilled to lock up most of the democrats. But given the opportunity and very real justification for doing so, the democrats just...didn't do it to the republicans. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (5 children) How was he able to do that? How does he have so much more power than democratic presidents? Genuine question bc all my brain says is that the dem potus' don't want change. 45/47 was able to really rock the boat the wrong way, why couldn't 46 make this much change in the other direction? 44?... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) How was he able to do that? How does he have so much more power than democratic presidents? Dems and the Dem base run on the idea of an actual government with laws and standards. Dems sometimes violate those laws, but with plausible deniability in the vein of lawyers. The GOP and the GOP base runs on the idea that hurting people is the highest good, and that laws are just a means to an end. They used to have more of the "lawyerly plausible deniability" strain about them, but Trump and his ghoulish following have dispensed with that, as they're convinced that laws are a secret liberal plot to stop America from becoming a White Man's Country once again. Basically, the GOP doesn't give a fuck about all the rules the Dems follow, and the GOP base won't electorally punish them for it, because the GOP base is made of fascists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago One side is trying to govern, the other side is trying to win... permalink fedilink source parent [–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 year ago Three things. Trump is doing a lot of things that are technically within his powers as long as there is an emergency. Trump is declaring everything an emergency. A lot of what Trump is doing is trying to tear down parts if the executive branch. The only real recourse to that is an active Congress, but the House and Senate are governed by his party and can choose not to act while the President tears down everything. A lot of what Trump is trying to do is unconstitutional, but he's got a neutered Supreme Court and would probably quote President Jackson if the Court consistently ruled against Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago Because half the shit he's doing is illegal and 46 would not break the law so fragrantly and repeatedly, and when shot down he listened to the courts. Republicans have control of every branch. permalink fedilink source parent [+] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Because after Trump's first term, including the failed coup, when nothing happened to them, the republicans came to a startling realization: no matter what they do there are no consequences, because the democrats refuse to enforce any. For decades they've worked to be either technically within the law, or carefully over the line in ways that are both deniable and difficult to prosecute. But during Trump's first term, it became apparent they don't need to do that anymore. They can do whatever the fuck they want and no one will impose any consequences. Even if someone stops them in the moment, they just get to try again. And it's all because democrats are too concerned with decorum and looking polite. So why can't democrats do the same? Cause you bet your britches the republicans will hold them to account if they start doing whatever they want. Republicans would love that. They would be thrilled to lock up most of the democrats. But given the opportunity and very real justification for doing so, the democrats just...didn't do it to the republicans. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) How was he able to do that? How does he have so much more power than democratic presidents? Dems and the Dem base run on the idea of an actual government with laws and standards. Dems sometimes violate those laws, but with plausible deniability in the vein of lawyers. The GOP and the GOP base runs on the idea that hurting people is the highest good, and that laws are just a means to an end. They used to have more of the "lawyerly plausible deniability" strain about them, but Trump and his ghoulish following have dispensed with that, as they're convinced that laws are a secret liberal plot to stop America from becoming a White Man's Country once again. Basically, the GOP doesn't give a fuck about all the rules the Dems follow, and the GOP base won't electorally punish them for it, because the GOP base is made of fascists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago One side is trying to govern, the other side is trying to win... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago One side is trying to govern, the other side is trying to win... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 year ago Three things. Trump is doing a lot of things that are technically within his powers as long as there is an emergency. Trump is declaring everything an emergency. A lot of what Trump is doing is trying to tear down parts if the executive branch. The only real recourse to that is an active Congress, but the House and Senate are governed by his party and can choose not to act while the President tears down everything. A lot of what Trump is trying to do is unconstitutional, but he's got a neutered Supreme Court and would probably quote President Jackson if the Court consistently ruled against Trump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago Because half the shit he's doing is illegal and 46 would not break the law so fragrantly and repeatedly, and when shot down he listened to the courts. Republicans have control of every branch. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Because after Trump's first term, including the failed coup, when nothing happened to them, the republicans came to a startling realization: no matter what they do there are no consequences, because the democrats refuse to enforce any. For decades they've worked to be either technically within the law, or carefully over the line in ways that are both deniable and difficult to prosecute. But during Trump's first term, it became apparent they don't need to do that anymore. They can do whatever the fuck they want and no one will impose any consequences. Even if someone stops them in the moment, they just get to try again. And it's all because democrats are too concerned with decorum and looking polite. So why can't democrats do the same? Cause you bet your britches the republicans will hold them to account if they start doing whatever they want. Republicans would love that. They would be thrilled to lock up most of the democrats. But given the opportunity and very real justification for doing so, the democrats just...didn't do it to the republicans. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Well for starters we haven't had a Democrat senate supermajority without caucus since 1979, we haven't even given them 50 since 2012-2013, and now everything is going to shit, so... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago I'm gonna repeat this again. Have not had more than 50 in over a decade. Why would you allow the simple majority rule when you're literally outnumbered? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago I'm gonna repeat this again. Have not had more than 50 in over a decade. Why would you allow the simple majority rule when you're literally outnumbered? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago I'm gonna repeat this again. Have not had more than 50 in over a decade. Why would you allow the simple majority rule when you're literally outnumbered? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soulg@ani.social 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You can't possibly be equating the current situations with anything in the past permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] krashmo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago The present doesn't exist without the past. Our current situation is just as much about the Dems failure to significantly alter the course of our country as it is the GOPs efforts to undermine democracy. One does not follow without the other. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago The present doesn't exist without the past. Our current situation is just as much about the Dems failure to significantly alter the course of our country as it is the GOPs efforts to undermine democracy. One does not follow without the other. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago Not specifically, no. Though in 2020 and ‘24 they were definitely on about party unity permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago Anyone who has ever used that phrase un-ironically is politically tone deaf, or a Republican agent. I get the sentiment, and even agree with it, but it doesn't communicate what people who use it think it does. The kind of people who use that phrase are the ones I blame most for gestures broadly. permalink fedilink source parent