For all their "christianity", republicans in the US are pretty hypocritical.

Jesus actually teached that everybody deserves to get fed and housed. That everybody deserves healthcare. That people should care for other people in their community. That is essentially the core principles of socialism.

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[–] 105 points 1 year ago (41 children)

Religion isn’t about actually helping people. It’s used to control the masses with shame, guilt and the threat of eternal damnation. It’s used to abuse and fleece the weak and the poor.

People holding onto “that’s not what Jesus would do” are just in denial about the cult they participate in.

Jesus is just a tool used to dupe rubes. If you need a fictional character to tell you to act like a decent human being then you’re not a good person.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Harsh but true.

    But a little besides the point OP is trying to make - which is about Jesus' teachings themselves, not the cult that grew up around it - as far as we can deduce what Jesus actually did and said of course. Which isn't much but enough to come to a similar conclusion as OP claims.

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    [–] 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    More than that, giving food and drink to the hungry and thirsty, welcoming strangers, clothing the naked, caring for the sick, and giving comfort to the imprisoned, is literally the same as doing those things for Jesus Christ, himself, from his perspective. And, moreover, those who do those things will earn their place in heaven, and those who fail to do those things will be eternally damned to hell. It's not subtextual. It's not ambiguous and up for interpretation. It says very clearly that Jesus separated those who are going to heaven and hell to either side and the distinction between the groups was how they treated "the least" of his brothers and sisters. Matthew 25:31-46.

    So, bad news Christian Republicans. Might want to correct yourself now before it's too late.

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    [–] 55 points 1 year ago

    And Jesus did reach down to the leper, but the leper was not cured, because his monthly deductables did not cover it.

    "Get a job, hippy", proclaimed Peter.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    From my purely anecdotal experience, the people who actually want to follow Jesus's teachings don't go to church. Says a lot.

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    [–] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Matthew 25:35-40

    35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

    37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

    40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

    https://youtube.com/shorts/WUGQUx9k7Cg

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    [–] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You are absolutely right. It isn't complicated. A fundamental principle from the teachings of Jesus is that everyone should share their "wealth" (i.e. food, housing, medical care, etc.) with those in need. No one should ever be hungry, homeless, or sick without treatment. It follows naturally from the idea of loving everyone, without exception.

    I'm not going to argue the questions about whether Jesus was divine or even existed. I am simply talking about the philosophy that is presented as his by the Gospels. That is the core of Christianity, but it is ignored by a majority of those who call themselves Christians. The fact that it is difficult and calls for personal sacrifices is not an excuse. He never said that it would be easy.

    I accept that Christian principles can be viewed as aspirational goals and not an absolute code of conduct, but that is not what we see in the would-be Christians. They have no interest in working toward those goals.

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    [+] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ironically, western culture today suffers from one of the same falsehoods that Jesus himself preached against: the idea that poverty is a moral failing. They believe that the rich are wealthy because they've "earned it" in some way, and therefore must be morally superior for their work ethic. Conveniently, this also allows the wealthy to keep a clean conscience--if everyone was as "good" as they are, they could all be enjoying this life too.

    So with this mindset, all "good" people who are poor are just temporarily embarrassed millionaires--they identify with the rich, who actively abuse and suppress them, because they believe themselves to be part of the same "moral party."

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The Prosperity Gospel folks go a step further and equate wealth and health with the will of god. That being well-off is the direct result of being in god's good graces. It side-steps observations of financial inequality in the face of moral equality, by hand-waving exceptional wealth as deserved by truly rare and exceptional people. And that conveniently plays off of confusing causation for correlation, so we arrive at "money = godly."

    For the record: I hate that this has a name and it's a real thing.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The early church was actually kinda communist, having all things in common.

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    [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    From a theological point of view, Jesus was indeed a socialist. However, he wasn't a socialist in a Marxist sense, he was a different kind of socialist. Christian socialism actually has a very interesting history that goes back quite back in time.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Exactly. There is a rich tradition of Christian socialism and Christian communism. Even the communist group that Marx and Engels joined up with practiced christian communism and utopian socialism before moving away to a more secular and materialist version. The Communist Manifesto marks this turning point well.

    Of course, M&E argue that Christianity is a tool used to blunt the edge of revolutionary socialism and keep it back in line where it can't do any harm. Like the other forms of socialism (including that dreaded one) that are explicitly designed to recuperate the more radical ideas to a place where they can be more comfortably controlled by the ruling class.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    No no no. I see where you went wrong, you were thinking about Jesus from the bible, people dont really believe in him anymore. The Jesus followed today is Supply-Side Jesus, I know it gets confusing since they are both named Jesus.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Jesus was middle eastern. Don't need to look further than that to find the hypocrisy.

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    The early Church is recorded as living that way:

    "44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46 ¶And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, " ( Acts 2:44-46 KJV).

    However, tearing a political philosophy away from its associated worldview leads to trouble.

    This is one of the things I find strange about the political parties in the U.S. the Republican party, which seems to claim the majority of members who claim to be Christians, largely espouse a capitalist economic system. Capitalism is much more congruent with a Darwinist world view than a Christian one.

    Meanwhile, the Democrat party, at least the more progressive wing, espouse more of a socialist system but seemingly oppose Christianity and claim a world view more congruent with a capitalist system.

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    [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wait until the suckers learn that he doesn't want people to eat animals in the apocryphal writings. But that's just how Christianity works... Take what fits the bill (Emperor Constantine, Jerome of Stridon, anyone?).

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Um, He fed people fish. Apocryphal writings are not in the cannon for a reason.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    No, because socialism is when bad thing! /s obviously

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    100%. I've been reading about early christianity for the last 20 months and a major characteristic was shared meals. They were absolutely following a socialist model. But we do capitalism. Woohoo.

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    People care about helping people.

    Its had a billion different names throughout history and each of them has been or will be subverted into something bad by people who seek control.

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Christianity is incredibly easy to fake. Anyone can call themselves a Christian with little, if any, blowback. It's the whole 'sinner saved by grace' schtick - which is, essentially, "Yup, I'm a Christian but I don't really have to act like one."

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Do we really know what the real Jesus was like, what his teachings were, and that they are not just fairy tales created by someone? or changed by someone. I don't think there is/was much socialistic in his teachings.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Lot of people during history fought for socialism but they always ignore that part somehow.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    For all their “christianity”, republicans in the US are pretty hypocritical

    No, no, you were indoctrinated by people with agenda
    Jesus was saying, and everyone was obeying, like a good person does

    /s in case it's not clear

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    It is not really socialism since it is still based on a religious supernatural hierarchy and revelation and not any actual political theories as to how to achieve this without magic, but read literally, it is definitely closer to socialism than whatever basically all of the existing Christian denominations got out of it (with a few notable but not very popular exceptions).

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