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[–] grue@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Brave is based on Chromium and therefore helps contribute to Google having hegemony over web standards.

Always use a Firefox-based browser, even if you think Mozilla sucks.

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[–] phantomwise@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

At least until Ladybird is ready. I hope they are not under too much pressure to rush things so we get a truly independent web browser.

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[–] FallenWalnut@lemmy.world [S] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Yup! It is noted in the highlighted text in red. I've had several people respond that they didn't know about it, and would be making the switch away :)

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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Never had a good feeling about that one.

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[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

It's a shitty "secure" browser to begin with imho

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I'm waiting for Servo (I know it's not a browser) & LadyBird.

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[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 10 points 1 year ago

Also reminder that StartPage is majority-owned by American ad company Sytem1

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

stop promoting brave. oh my god it's 2025 how good is their propaganda... they were never cool.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

I wish Kagi was not American. I was pretty happy with it until America became a thread

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Me too. Kagi is the best of them all, including Google.

The only downside? It's an American company.

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[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Another downside is that is costs $5 a month to use…

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[–] Rexios@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

How terrible that you have to pay for a product you use

No one wanting to pay for anything is what got us into this mess in the first place

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[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was thinking about the aspect of privacy. Not only do you need a user, you also have to give them your payment details.

And don’t get me started on their “300 searches a month”-bullshit. If I pay for 300 searches, I want my 300 searches. Regardless of how long it takes me to use it.

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[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 3 points 1 year ago

You can sign up to Kagi and pay anonymously, they state how to do it in their FAQ's.

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[–] Tenderizer@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I'm okay with forsaking one avocado toast a month for a search engine that actually works, but if I don't feel good about where my money goes then I'm signficantly less willing.

I like spending money on the things I use. The status of paying customer is an enviable position (minus the paying part).

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[–] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago

Worth noting about Startpage: they're part of System1, an American advertising/marketing company. Sytem1 claims that privacy is one of the biggest focuses though. Make of that what you will.

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

What kind of storage space does it take up, and how good are the results?

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

This is exciting, TBH.

I'm going to try it out! Storage space be damned 😂

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

They're basically all compromised in one way or another. 😞

[–] FallenWalnut@lemmy.world [S] 6 points 1 year ago

For Search, it is about finding the least bad option and hope that they will become more independent. Mojeek (fully independent but poor quality) or Qwant (building own index, but dependent on Bing)

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[–] DigitalMus@feddit.dk 7 points 1 year ago

Not a search engine, but last week I learned of the European Open Websearch project, which builds a new free and open search index. It should already be ready to try out. Hopefully we will see some search engines implementing this soon.

[–] unwillingsomnambulist@midwest.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

For now I’ll stick with SearXNG, it’s among the first things I get up and running when I distro hop, but I’m glad there are other non-US options to try.

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[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Pretty weak chart to not even include "I care most about porn search"

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

I recommend Ecosia!

[–] tyler@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Very strange to put Kagi as “less private” when it’s the only non-self-hosted option that allows for completely private searches with their Privacy Pass tokens. You can access them with Tor, pay with crypto (not really that private though), and sign up with a fake email. https://kagi.com/privacy#anonymity

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[–] FallenWalnut@lemmy.world [S] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

It isn't marked as less private. It is grayed out because it is not based in Europe. I personally use them as I find them the best option with what is out there.

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[–] tyler@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The text at the bottom says “kagi doesn’t collect any identifying data, but does require an account, so it is considered less private than the alternatives”.

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[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

I think that's Walnut's nod to the fact that PrivacyGuides still hasn't wrapped their head around the concept of paid search.

I haven't seen any legitimate evidence that Kagi's Privacy Pass is any less private than any other search option on the market, but long ago PG defined private search as "not requiring an account" and are completely locked up on that concept.

Even though just about every VPN on the planet (and all of their recommended ones) require accounts, as do most of the other services they recommend. The world is just so used to "free" search (which just sells your data or your time) that they don't know what to do with a new business model.

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[–] whaleross@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been happy with DDG for so long. Uuugh.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Honestly I shopped around a lot and tried various services for 7 days each. In the end I came back to DDG because it's the most useful engine to me. It delivers results I look for and doesn't get in the way.

As a result I'm not quite satisfied, but it will have to do for now.

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[–] cRazi_man@europe.pub 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I changed to Ecosia when I last saw this chart. It's working really well and is my main search engine across all my devices now.

But now I'm considering moving to Mojeek if that's better for privacy.

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[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Ecosia is based in the EU and it's working together with Qwant to build an European index. But Ecosia's mission is planting trees, and in order to do that they need revenue, which comes from targeted advertising.

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[–] sorenladegaard@social.vivaldi.net 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

@Scrollone @cRazi_man But I think it’s contextual advertising. If you search for “lawnmower” you get lawnmower ads.

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[–] Tenderizer@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I really wish Kagi wasn't American. Kagi is such a good product, and I'd be willing to pay for it, but in no universe am I willing to pump more money into silicon valley.