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[–] 266 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Dear America:

Most countries don't do this shit. At all. It's weird and off putting

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  • [–] 99 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Does anyone else also fly bombers and fighter jets over stadiums at the start of a game? Do you take 2-5 minutes to honor some guys in the military during half time?

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    to be fair, that one (afaik) is a legitimate training exercise. it’s useful to train pilots to be at an exact place, in an exact formation, at an exact speed, at an exact time… and if you can get marketing and morale out of it, welllll why not

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Also, jets are just plain old cool. Everyone likes a mini-airshow.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I mean yes, I love airshows, but there's something about a mass celebration of these machines of death where a crowd gathered for a completely unrelated purpose gets to see the last thing an afghan child at a wedding sees gives ick in a way that normal airshows, even with all the military recruitment and propaganda don't.

    It doesn't even apply to all flyovers, sometimes it's like F-14s or Chinooks or WWII era planes where the message isn't so dark.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    where a crowd gathered for a completely unrelated purpose gets to see the last thing an afghan child at a wedding sees

    I know this probably makes it worse, but the Afghan child most likely wouldn't even have a chance to see the plane (or more likely, predator drone) that fired the missile that killed them.

    It's one of the many reasons these children are fucking terrified of clear skies and sunny days.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Lol, as opposed the the drills and formations that NK/Russia etc do?

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  • [–] 134 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I stopped in elementary school.

    At the time, it was because I was convinced that the pledge was essentially worshipping a false idol, and if I continued to do it, I would go to hell. Teachers couldn't fight that argument. Students didn't fuck with it either. I stood. I didn't cross my heart, and I didn't say it.

    About 6th or 7th grade, I started challenging my "faith" and realized that the pledge was essentially swearing fealty to something that was supposed to serve the people, not the other way around. By highschool, I didn't even stand for it anymore. It was nationalism.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If only there were more in this world with such critical thinking, maybe we wouldn't be in such a shit state.

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    [–] 95 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Fiest time I had to do the pledge, I just got to America from Taiwan and I honestly thought the pledge was a Christian/religion thing because of the "....under god" thing. So I told my teacher that my family is Buddhist and can't do the pledge.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Fun fact! “Fun”, actually.

    Under God wasn’t in the original version. It wasn’t added until 1954 because they didn’t to be like communist countries and be seen as a secular government.

    Good old fashion forcing religion on your citizens.

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    This shit has always been creepy. Always. Greetings from Germany o/

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    [–] 57 points 1 year ago

    Generally, the main problem with being "far left" is being ridiculed for being right earlier than everyone else.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago

    I sat down every time and my teacher would get pissed. I finally told her that my grandpa fought in WWII for my right to protest and that shit her up real fast. I'm not going to pledge my aliegence to an inanimate object, I shouldn't have to prove my love for my country with a pledge.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is the kind of shit that leads to nationalism over patriotism. Blindly teaching kids to pledge allegiance without teaching them what comes with that or why.

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    [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    Americans are cultists

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  • [–] 97 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    Wtf. Hard to believe this is real... Do only certain far right private schools do nationalistic stuff like that or is it a common phenomenon over there, like are public funded schools allowed to do bs like this as well?

    EDIT: WWWWTTTTTFFFF

    " All states except Nebraska, Hawaii, Vermont, and Wyoming require a regularly scheduled recitation of the pledge in public schools.[13] Many states give a variety of exemptions from reciting the pledge, such as California which requires a "patriotic exercise" every day, which would be satisfied by the Pledge, "

    To be honest its a miracle you guys didn't turn facist earlier with stuff like that.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago

    The Nazi party of America - the GOP - has spent so much time and money creating fascist propaganda for decades. The country largely ignored it, because it didn't really "do" anything and most people were like "ok. It's a bit strange, but whatever."

    The military is to be praised. The boy scouts of America have promoted flag ceremony, and allegiance to state. Sports are practically religious events, so your team is part of where you live. The more you buy, the more you help America. America's international superiority is paramount to our health. It's been ready for a long time. It just needed ignition.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    I wouldn't be surprised if my town was the exception and not the norm (I'm from a relatively progressive town in a consistently blue state) but at my public high school I only knew of 1-2 people out of the 500 people in my grade that stood up during the pledge of allegiance and a good percentage of the grade hated them because they were high key homophobic.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You don't have to do it. I stopped doing the pledge around 6th grade. 9-11 made me read into our history a bit more, and pledging allegiance to a flag that is supposed to represent "of the people, by the people, for the people" seems a backwards. Then you realize that it's straight up McCarthy-era bullshit. It's more patriotic to not say the pledge.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Yup, when I heard about it it was really weird. And when I said I won't let my children do that, I learn they'd be ostracized not only by peers but by teachers as well. And considering there'll bullying in schools and teachers don't do much. It doesn't seem like a good place to send your children. (And there's shooting)

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I get the sense Lemmy people are generally less likely to participate in this weird shit, as I also sat it out and we kind of select into this sort of "fuck you I won't do what you tell me" mindset by rejecting mainstream apps.

    I didn't know it was an option in elementary, but as early as I remember I always adjusted the words to make it silly. I especially remember saying "under frog" when they got to the under God part, with liberty and French fries for all.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah I stopped doing it in High School after realizing that it's some North Korea level bullshit. Got a few other kids in my homeroom to stop too, which really angered our teacher. She was a military spouse and would actually yell at us for refusing to participate. In the end, we compromised by standing but not reciting it. Was the begining of my political and social awakening.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I had an amazing American Government and Politics teacher in senior year of high school, but I knew about her much earlier. She kept a file of print-outs of the section of State law which codified that no child could be forced to participate in the pledge. She was so awesome. I happened to just arrive at her class after the first plane hit on 9/11. I don't think there could have been a better place for me to be trying to make sense of that.

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    [+] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
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    [–] 21 points 1 year ago*

    I have never once done the Pledge of Allegiance. Grew up a Jehovah's Witness, who think that giving allegiance to a country would mean putting that country over God. Even if any of my teachers didn't like this reasoning, they were obliged to keep quiet and accept it. There was a Supreme Court case about this exact issue.

    Left JWs as an adult, so I never had to do it.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Being the person that won’t stand for the national anthem at a hockey game is fun too. You fully expect some asshole to give you shit but it hasn’t happened yet.

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Less of the annoying kid more of an annoying teacher, admin, and staff. Like peer pressure and desire to follow along made me do it but the teacher and the staff couldn't explain why we should and that made me question it and leading me to consider the kid right

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I still have a feeling that me breaking down the whole classes in elementary school alone was a glimpse of genius and not some kind of sociopathy

    In any case I am in the business for an article on how I was right all along, nurturing my indomitable rebellious spirit of America or something

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