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Technically it's always the first in China until they get removed from the movie (startrek.website)
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[–] 125 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Literally the only thing I know about this movie is that the main character is gay, Disney really tried to make that a selling point.

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  • [–] 60 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    He’s not even the main character, he’s a sidekick and not even the most prominent of the sidekicks really. (Despite the fact that he appears first in many character lists for the movie, the protagonist is Searcher)

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    [–] 102 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Funfact to tell the haters(since I assume few if any are here): The gays are not doing this to Disney. Disney is doing this to the gays, they make 17 first openly this or that kind of queerness because they want the gay peoples money.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's the point of the meme, I thought?

    Like... we know you're just pandering, Disney.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, and maybe its just me, but I had never though before this meme to phrase my thoughts about it the way I did, and I like the way it explains where the 'action' is coming from very plainly, since I hear opponents of representation claim that it works in reverse and somehow the gays are forcing media conglomerates to bend to their will, instead of the media conglomerates putting out whatever extracts the most cash. Like I don't expect the right leaners I know to understand and agree with this comment I'm typing, but I really feel like I could get somewhere if I phrased it like in the one you replied to. Of course not everyone can be moved in the first place, but its the idea I get from my experiences with them.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    They will then counter this with "Well if they just shut up and minded their own business instead of telling everybody all about how much cock they suck, it wouldn't matter", completely missing the point that these folks have been minding their own business for centuries and regularly getting murdered for it, and also completely missing the extremely obvious parallels to Jim Crow and the civil rights movement (or maybe not, maybe that's why they hate it so much). It is their opinion that they shouldn't have to know you're gay, and that you should have to live in fear of revealing that fact for your entire lifetime. And that's just the crowd that doesn't believe that homosexuality is a direct affront to God and should be stamped out as a moral imperative.

    I've had this conversation before a few times, it always comes back around to the same points. Conservatives become extremely unconformable with the knowledge that The Gays(R) exist and typically wield misunderstood Bible quotation in defense of that. Those who don't, will resort to the argument that they shouldn't have to have it "thrust into their faces", as though the knowledge that gay folks exist is some great personal burden to them. They will happily tell people to "mind their own business" and "keep it to yourself" so long as their lungs have air with which to speak, but when told themselves to mind their own damn business, suddenly this is unacceptable.

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    • [–] 80 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Disney claiming to be inclusive and still managing an incredible amount of gender stereotyping

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    • [–] 58 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Would anyone like to run a statistical analysis of the number of gay characters that have been present in Disney movies, or really movies in general?

    They’re forcing gay characters on us! Help I’m being oppressed! Chill the Fuck out and watch literally 99 percent of all movies that have ever been made if you’re worried about being underrepresented.

    Let’s sit down and watch all of the movies that feature a white savior ‘knowing what’s best’ for poor and minority characters. Look at their unbridled altruism! They don’t have to associate with those pesky poors but they choose to do it on account of their saintliness! Get the fuck outta here.

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  • [–] [S] 74 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    According to out.com there are 17 and most of them have the representation of either it being a backhanded reference to them being queer or being on screen for all of 3 seconds. Oh lawd jesus. So oppressive.

    Just a bunch of whiny people who are so incredibly insecure with their own sexuality that they think someone else could turn them gay. Probably because they spend more time than they want to admit fantasizing about sucking cock.

    Sorry. As a gay dude I am just so phenomenally tired of hearing the most represented group on the planet whine about being "under-represented" or having to be "forced to watch gay people, THINK OF THE KIDS" when shit like Boss Baby is created where you have a literal infant lusting over women.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    Just do a deep dive on all the super Fucking uncomfortable 80s and 90s tv shows and movies where it’s totally acceptable for an adult to have a sexual encounter with a child. It’s sold as a gag or the adult ‘ struggles with their urges’ or whatever. Totally normal, haha funny.

    Imagine if there were a movie like Leon the professional that featured a gay man or a transgender person. The world would lose its mind and string up the director for child abuse.

    I’m in full support of lgbt characters that are ‘normalized’ and treated like everyone else. It’s such a non issue it’s crazy to me that it’s even a concern in anyone’s mind.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Even from a conservative perspective it's fucking stupid. Your job as a parent is to help your kid learn how to navigate the real world, which SURPRISE has gay people in it.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    My sister had a little meltdown on Facebook about the beauty and the beast remake when it came out, because gasp it has two guys dancing in it for all of 2 seconds, at the very end of the movie.

    She literally said "how am I supposed to explain that to my kids?" and apparently "with words, if they bother asking" wasn't the answer she wanted.

    I have far more knowledge of her activities in highschool and college than she thought. I could easily get 7 ex-girlfriends of hers to answer on her social media page so everyone she's pandering to can have an answer from an openly gay person how to address openly gay people. (hint: normal. You treat them normally.)

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago*

    I was showing my nephews and niece pics of me with my ex once because she didn't visit with me and my niece asked to see pics.

    The friend that introduced us is gay, and I had a pic of all of us during gamenight with him and his ex. My niece asked who his ex was, I couldn't remember their name, so I said "that was his boyfriend" to which the kids were surprised, and asked a couple questions, which I answered in a very basic, kid-friendly manner. Just the matter-of-fact manner in which I've always explained stuff to them.

    Well that was enough to send my SIL flying into the living room with a bible to go over verses that talk about how it's sinful to be gay. I sat there holding my tongue, and I could see the confusion on their faces like "he was just telling us about his friend".

    I waited until she was done to tell them that another reason I'm not a Christian anymore is bc I don't think who my friends are is wrong. (Which ofc brother and SIL got upset at later)

    And in the conversation I had with my brother and SIL later on, they couldn't see how me talking about my gay friends differently to my straight friends or avoiding saying someone was gay if it came up was an issue. These people live in a twisted reality of their own creation, it's frightening.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I don't get it either. My brother-in-law is like this. And he refused to take his kids to see Buzz Lightyear because of its "political" nature. I was a dumbfounded when I heard that. To think that representation is just some nebulous political aim.

    At this rate, we should just consider any media with a kiss in it "political media."

    And I even grew up with this dude in the early 2000s. He didn't seem like this before.

    I try to forget about the guy, but it's kind of hard because he won't let me see the nieces because I'm too "liberal".

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    When morons say something about a "political nature", it's just code for briefly mentioning (and then not instantly condemning) anything about a character that doesn't fit into:

    Straight white cis Christian household with the oldest male the sole breadwinner and the oldest female barefoot and pregnant and tending to their (at least 2) kids' needs, and keeping house while still doing her "wifely duties" for him, all while being in the kitchen.

    They hate immigrants and anyone different from them in any way. They tolerate them if they stay where they came from.

    Anything else they disagree with is a political issue, because an extreme version of their religion is their political party, do anything they disagree with means God hates it, and their party will vote against it, and the normal people will vote for it, thereby making it a political issue in an ass backwards way.

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    • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Dude looks like Mario shaved off his stache and put on a rastafari wig

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    The Mitchells vs the machines did it best. It was a great and entertaining story and I loved all the characters. Perhaps Disney should just make a story that's worth telling?

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    What other open gay characters have been in Disney movies?

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    All I remember from this movie is the fanboys bitching about Disney only doing remakes and not releasing anything original, then they finally release something original and it gets review bombed for having a gay character

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    I didn't care the character was gay. It just felt like it was heavy handed to point out he was gay. His relationship, and by extension his sexuality, had no impact on the story. Why even bring it up?

    His sexuality and his relationship felt like it was shoe horned into the script so Disney could say they had a gay character.

    Also. The movie was forgettable and kind of crap.

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    If shows count then owl house is a shining example

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    And also gravity falls, the police officers seems to be a couple

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Pretty sure Alex Hirsch confirmed that's the case

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    Yes, and he originally was gonna make it obvious but he had to fight tooth and nail with Disney to even get the scene at the end where they look longingly into each other's face while talking about love (iirc) and then shoot a cannon together (which is meant to represent that they are indeed a "canon" couple).

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    [–] 5 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    What are the other movies?

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  • [–] [S] 39 points 2 years ago* (7 children)
    1. Finding Dory: Has a lesbian couple on screen for 3 seconds. Was an ENORMOUS deal at the time. Disney marketed it.
    2. Beauty and the Beast (2017 Live Action): Disney specifically marketed how Josh Gads character was their first gay character. They also marketed an "exclusive gay moment". That moment was him dancing with another man in a group scene for like 2 seconds.
    3. Thor Ragnarok: Wasn't announced until Love and Thunder but Valkyrie is bisexual.
    4. Avengers Endgame: Also touted as a "big moment" and the first gay character in the MCU. During the opening grief counseling session that Cap America runs, one dude is talking about how he went on a date with another man. Here's there for a maximum of 20 seconds.
    5. Toy Story 4: You can see a lesbian couple for like 1-3 seconds.
    6. Rise of Skywalker: Also touted as a huge moment for Star Wars, Disney started talking about how it was the first lesbian couple. At the end of the movie there's a 1 second shot of two women kissing. Disney marketed it as first on screen same sex kiss.
    7. **Onward:**The cyclops cop is a lesbian. There's a single line where she says her girlfriend's daughter did something.
    8. Jungle Cruise: Disney said that Jack MacGregor was their first "major gay character". There is a single line in the film hinting towards his sexuality. Dwayne Johnsons character asks why he never got married and Jack says "my interests lie elsewhere". That's it. Apparently that counts for being gay.
    9. Eternals: Disney touted that one as being the 'First Gay Superhero'. He's not a major character or anything but you do see a scene with him and his husband/son.
    10. Cruella: Also marketed by Disney as being their 'first major gay character' despite them claiming that twice for Beauty and the Beast and for Jungle Cruise. In this movie, the gay character is the hyper flamboyant, fashion loving villain.
    11. High School Musical The Series: A Disney+ show. They marketed that one for the 'First Gay Disney Love Song'.
    12. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness: America Chavez is a lesbian and the movie was marketed for having the 'First Gay Superhero', apparently ignoring Eternals from previously.
    13. Lightyear: 'First Pixar Same-sex Kiss in a Pixar movie' was claimed for this one. However it was only put back into the movie after news broke that Disney was donating to anti-gay politicians and that they constantly cut LGBTQ content behind the scenes they stuck this scene in. Then it came out that this scene too was originally cut. Shocker.
    14. Ms. Marvel: Another Disney+ show. They have a same-sex teenage lesbian couple.
    15. Strange World: The thing in the meme. First Gay Teenage character.
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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    ABC is owned by Disney. ABC owns Scrubs. Therefore the first gay love song from Disney is “Guy Love” sung by JD and Turk and I will die on this hill.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago*

    The characters being ancillary and easily edited out/cut is by design so they can still use the movies in foreign markets that are hostile to lgbt rights

    If the gay character is only identified as gay in one scene where they say “I’m gay” or kiss for 10 seconds you can just cut that part out and still screen it in Saudi Arabia. Disney doesn’t actually give a shit about lgbt issues, they give a shit about what will sell

    Thus a prominent main character who is gay or a movie about a character coming to terms with queer identity is far less likely because that basically means they instantly lose out on much of the lucrative international market

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    sigh

    Mission hill, a show you've likely never heard of, back in 1999 had two characters named Gus and Wally. They were the upstairs neighboors of the main cast though Gus and Wally did have their own episode (the show only ran for 1 season and had 13 episodes) as well as having some side plots in other episodes. Now the very first scene they're in they are making out.

    Let me repeat that, back in fucking 1999 there was an openly gay couple in an animated show who were functionally main characters. They weren't the perfect couple, they acted like your old married coupke, but the show never once made them being gay a joke, a bad thing, or anything of the sort. They were treated respectfully as flawed humans who loved each other for the show's entire run.

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