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[–] 173 points 2 years ago (1 child)

In the end, only the customer pays extras.

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  • [–] 92 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Trumpets cannot comprehend this

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    They will first go "I don't buy those damn consoles and gamer PCs every few years", then find out once their new iPhones will be much more expensive...

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Everything will be more expensive, if it uses a modern CPU. Phones, tablets, computers of any type from any company (both Intel and AMD are fabbing consumer CPUs on TSMC, as is Apple and Qualcomm), TVs, set top boxes, everything.

    Right now TSMC is basically the only fab anything consumer-facing is made on, which is not a great thing in general, but vice president trump just decided that anything electronic needs a hefty price hike.

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  • [–] 133 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    He emphasized that the proposed tariffs would leave companies with no choice but to invest in domestic production facilities to avoid high taxes.

    No choice except the obvious: Pass the cost of the Tax into the customer because there’s no way they’re going to spend billions to stand up a US fab plant anytime soon.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No choice except the obvious: Pass the cost of the Tax into the customer because there’s no way they’re going to spend billions to stand up a US fab plant anytime soon.

    TSMC is standing up fabs in the US, mostly because we're bribing them to do so.

    The problem is that it takes literal years to build high tech manufacturing and isn't something you can yank out of your ass to satisfy some idiot politician.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    By Taiwanese law, TSMC isn't allowed to move cutting edge processes to its US plant. The overseas operations have to be at least one gen behind.

    From a strategic point of view, it makes sense for the Taiwan government to do this. They don't want the US to suck them dry then cut a deal with the mainland.

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    [–] 85 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Oh man, Trump...I had this thing I wanted to give you...where did I put it...oh yeah...🖕

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  • [–] 83 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Awesome! Send them to Canada, we can build data centres and sell the cloud services back to Americans powered by the electricity that we expect to be tarriffed, and cooled by the water we won't sell.

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    [–] 81 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    So, US is finally getting EU hardware prices

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    [–] 75 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Can the fat fuck die from a coronary already?

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    [+] 73 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
    [–] 63 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    So where is the US going to get its chips from then tax TMSC makes over 90% of chips?

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    [–] 54 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    China I get, but Taiwan ? It's literally a US-proxy state

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago

    I'm sure that orange fuck will try to sell it to "beautiful" president Xi, or to clean it out to stop the conflict, or something like that, that bubbles up in his senile demented brain.

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    [–] 52 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Ah yes. Our sworn enemy: Taiwan.

    It would be comical if it wasn't so sad.

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    [–] 50 points 2 years ago

    And in two weeks there will be a special executive order to free his Tech Bro oligarch buddies from these tarrifs so Meta and Elmo are not forced to pay a dollar extra.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Trump is a chinese puppet apparently

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    [–] 46 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    If TSMC doesn't want to set up shop in the USA, are the USA going to be able to produce chips on par with what TSMC can fab?

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  • [–] [S] 52 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    they are building a plant in Arizona, but i doubt it'll ever be as good as Taiwan can do, not just because Taiwan has the skills but if Taiwan doesn't have this then what's the point of protecting it? It's sort of a way to say, if you want to to continue to access the best chips in the world you should protect us from China

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The US could probably do it... With hundreds of billions of government incentives to rapidly stand up the entire supply chain... Which would still take at least a decade. The machines that TSMC uses are made by ASML and themselves have a global supply chain of over 500 separate companies and are backordered for several years due to their inherent value.

    In short, no.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Intel has been trying to get itself into that position for years, with huge amounts of public money being pumped in, and it is struggling so badly the company lost patience and fired the CEO who had the best chance of getting this done. And, as others have said, it doesn't look like TSMC is about to let its US fabs do the most advanced stuff even if they could.

    So this move will just make the best technology less accessible to the USA and tech products more expensive for Americans, for the foreseeable future.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago

    From what I understand one of the things that is protecting Taiwan from China is their fabs. They will fight for their lives to make sure they are protected by this.

    As someone with family over in Taiwan, I really want them to be okay. Things are getting depressing globally.

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    [–] 44 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's going to impact American consumers a hell of a lot more.

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    [–] 40 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Awesome. More availability for the rest of us.

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    [–] 40 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    But I thought the Tim Apple donation to the trump inauguration was supposed to curry enough favor to avoid this.

    ThisIsMySurpisedFace.jpg.

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    [–] 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Lol, I'd love to watch everyone in the US paying triple for literally anything that has electronics in it.

    If Trump then wants to build chips in the US, good luck. ASML is the only one with the machines, first of all, and by the time he can buy those, something tells me they might have some extra tarifs added to them, and then paying US salaries for electronics would skyrocket prices to people having to pay four-five times the amount of what they're paying now.

    Not saying that the near slavery conditions in Asia are fine, that should have changed decades ago, but the way trump is doing this is hilarious, people will want his head on a plattee

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    [–] 32 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Wait until his voters see their toy prices flying up

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    [–] 28 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I don't get the goal here. It's not just that existing fabs are in Taiwan, I thought it was the knowledge was as well.

    I was under the impression that we'd built a couple of fabs here and they're not productive due to a knowledge deficit. Maybe I'm uninformed.

    It seems, to my uninformed self, that if we impose tariffs we'd be strengthening Taiwan/China relations. Wouldn't China still serve as a middle man?

    I don't see us manufacturing when the dollar is so high relative to foreign currency; add in the lack of knowledge and facilities and I'm not sure what you get.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I've been looking at doing a new pc build but wanted to wait for the new GPUs coming out. Looks like I should just my new build before prices are stupid.

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    How to reunite China and Taiwan 101

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    Trump is basically a sad fat kid in a classroom that just cries and screams when shit doesn't go his way and then ruins everything for everyone else.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    To avoid this, the administration would need to introduce exemptions, just like it did with China-made graphics cards and motherboards years ago.

    If that is the approach, it would ensure tech monopoly for 5 years for all of the oligarchy that kisses his diaper.

    More major issues with this is that while high end Chip production may be high value manufacturing, motherboards, electronics, and assembly is not, and there would likely be an export of chips to somewhere else to import finished products.

    US/Trump explicit hatred for world is likely to get retributive tariffs, that makes chip plants unproductive investments, though Trump is hoping to have high foreign ownership/investment in those plants.

    In 2022, the export share of Taiwan integrated circuits to US was just 2.46%, although in early 2024, total (all goods) Taiwan exports had US take lead over China for the first time.

    That both US and China are decoupling from Taiwan is going to reduce any geopolitical subservience impulse that provokes a war with China. Taiwan may get closer to China instead of begging for more US "friendship".

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    Surely this will bring egg prices down.

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