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[–] 117 points 3 years ago (2 children)
  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (13 children)

    If I remember correctly: If it is watertight, replaceable batteries are not required. EZ way to skirt around this stuff.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Nah.

    To ensure the safety of end-users, this Regulation should provide for a limited derogation for portable batteries from the removability and replaceability requirements set for portable batteries concerning appliances that incorporate portable batteries and that are specifically designed to be used, for the majority of the active service of the appliance, in an environment that is regularly subject to splashing water, water streams or water immersion and that are intended to be washable or rinseable.

    From here: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2023-0237_EN.html#title1:~:text=(39)%C2%A0%C2%A0%20To,by%20end%2Dusers

    So watertight is definitely enough of a reason.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (13 children)

    To be fair, accidental damage is never covered under "warranty" (or any other extended service guarantee "warranty equivalents") from any manufacturer. Given these black rectangles go everywhere with us, it's still very good to have a device that won't absolutely crap itself as soon as it gets dropped in water.

    I say this as someone who often sees customers bring in water damaged devices, wanting their data off of it.

    Frankly though, I wish the term used was "water resistance" and not "waterproof". That semantic annoys me.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    You should read AppleCare+ ToS before you make that claim. They will absolutely let you file a claim for accident damage (it is spelled out in the ToS).

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago

    Even if that weren't the case, waterproof devices with replaceable batteries have already been made for years. There is no technical reason water resistance precludes replaceable batteries. It's just more bullshit.

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  • [–] 101 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (6 children)

    It is called a rubber o-ring.

    That's how other companies have been making water-tight compartments for batteries and other things for literally decades now. But all of a sudden, Apple wants to pretend this is some unsolvable problem. For fucks sakes stop acting like this is some insane ask, goddamn it.

    No other government body is as consumer-friendly as the EU, so I really hope this bill passes and forces Apple to comply. I am so sick of the bullshit from these megacorporations who are so big they just don't give a flying fuck about what consumers want. And on the flipside, there are going to be a million Apple apologists who will side with Apple on this topic. Those bootlickers only make things worse for everyone.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Just wait, Apple will solve this with a rubber o-ring and will receive heaps of praise for their innovation.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    You mean magic rings?! Or maybe they'll be called i-rings.

    They'll come up with some stupid ass name like that to make it seem like it is a proprietary thing. Man, I hate that company so much.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    The Magic iRing™ is a cutting edge, replaceable* sealing appartus for your new iPhone 18, made of military grade special compound and sleek design to ensure your new iPhone with replaceable* battery stays sealed to IP67 Standart.

    Magic iRing sold separately starting at $99 *replaceable by authorized dealers only, needs to be serialized to your phone, Magic iRing™ must be replaced after every use.

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    [–] 77 points 3 years ago (2 children)
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    [–] 63 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    So glad to see the Apple fans here aren't a bunch of blind yesmen. With an R&D budget the size of Apple's I am sure theres a way to figure somwthing out.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Really refreshing to see Apple fans who have not forgotten they are consumers who have features they want as opposed to accepting whatever decision is made for them.

    Other site was a weird mix of people who seemed less Apple consumers and shared more in common with Apple shareholders with the lengths they'd go to defend things from Apple's financial point of view.

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    [–] 60 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    It seems they are not going to make batterie replaceable without a fight. The waterproof excuse is crap, they already don’t give us repairs if the iphone is « water dommage » and they can just make a new water resistant design around the new requirements

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  • [–] 41 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Same lame excuse they used for removing the headphone jack... Never forget what they took from us and the shitty trend they started in the industry

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  • [–] 35 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The waterproof excuse is crap

    Yep. Galaxy S5, released 9 years ago with an IP67, removable battery, sd card and headphone jack with a back you could open with a fingernail.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago

    Yep. Galaxy S5, released 9 years ago with an IP67, removable battery, sd card and headphone jack with a back you could open with a fingernail.

    Spot on. They boast about how the iPhone is IP68, but IPX7 means...

    Protected from immersion in water with a depth of up to 1 meter (or 3.3 feet) for up to 30 mins

    There may be a tradeoff, but I'll take this level of waterproofing with a removable battery over being able to dunk my phone under water for 2 hours without a removable battery. Like that's an easy choice.

    It's all moot anyway. This is just Apple trying to justify their anti-consumer standpoint of wanting to own the device after it's been bought, like every other fucking manufacturer out there. We will own nothing and we'll be happy about it.

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  • [–] 49 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    What a horseshit excuse: add 6 screws on your backplate, give it a frame with center glass, add a grommet. Give a torque setting for the screws to have a good seal in your instructions. L

    Done.

    Samsung did this shit years ago in a phone with a replaceable plastic back.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Don't go pros have replaceable batteries too and get used in like the ocean?

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    [–] 48 points 3 years ago

    It would be great if the EU steps back:

    Dear phone manufacturers. It seems to be impossible to build water resistant phones with easily replaceable batteries. So we have an alternative for you: In future you must provide a unconditional, professional battery replacement, free of charge for 10 years for each individual phone which is water resistant. Since the phones are so water resistant you also have to replace all water damaged phones free of charge.

    2 hours later Apple announces a keynote for next week. A week later Tim Cook presents us next years iPhone with an easily replaceable battery…

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  • [–] 48 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    jeeeeesus christ, the idea that a component in your MOBILE PHONE will never need repair is a one-way ticket to fucking landfill electronics.

    add a gasket, holy shit it’s waterproof again!

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  • [–] 45 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    Liars! Galaxy S5 was IP67. One of the Xperia phones (forgot which one) was also water resistant but without an IP rating. IIRC one of the HTC phones was also water resistant. At the very least Apple, don’t piss in our faces and tell us it’s raining.

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    [–] 38 points 3 years ago

    My old ass Galaxy S5 had a ip67 rating, dropped it into a pool once and still working to this day, so apple and the rest of these phone manufacturers can piss off with this flimsy excuse especially when they're charging me hundreds of dollars.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 years ago (32 children)

    Apple needs to have a look at the new Surface devices: https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/14/23761037/microsoft-surface-spare-replacement-parts-microsoft-store and https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/11/23453263/microsoft-surface-pro-9-repairability-improved-ifixit-teardown

    Microsoft now sells Surface replacement parts, including displays, batteries, and SSDs / If you have a modern Surface device, then there are plenty of replacement parts to choose from.

    Microsoft’s Surface Pro 9 has (...) now has a screwed-in battery module as opposed to an adhered one. Between that and other components having become more modular over the years, repairability is actually achievable.

    But instead they're already bitching to the press about this new regulations. This is the same crap they pulled with USB-C, still no USB-C iPhones whatsoever and unlike everyone else I'm not confident it will happen this year. To be frank Apple even decided to srew the customer even more by having newer iPhones come with USB-C to lightening cables and without a charger instead of plain USB-A.

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    [–] 29 points 3 years ago

    Unwillingly is also fine with me.

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    [–] 28 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Fuck water, I want to change my battery.

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    [–] 23 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Money. Answer every single time is money

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    [–] 22 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Why? Because fuck you, that's why.

    I hate Apple, but I'm not going to pretend that a lot of other phones are as unfixable, or close to.

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    [–] 18 points 3 years ago

    "EU explains why it doesn't care that Apple is refusing to make non replaceable batteries"

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago

    Screws and gaskets. Fuck you apple.

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    [–] 14 points 3 years ago

    Force them to cover all water damage under warranty. And let them void the water damage warranty if you replace the battery. This will remove their bad excuse if « keeping the phone waterproof » as it will acknowledge that opening it breaks the seal.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I’ve commented this elsewhere but it wouldn’t surprise me if they actually over engineer the replaceable battery and incorporate their MagSafe tech or something to make replacement batteries prohibitively expensive but technically follows EU rules. Seems like a very Apple malicious compliance outcome.

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    [–] 12 points 3 years ago*

    They will though, at least in Europe. Otherwise they will lose that market entirely

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    Apple does love to take designs that makes their devices enter the realm of disposable tech. Like soldering storage and ram on their MacOS running devices in the name of speed, but one that is not noticeable to the average user. And decreases peoples ability to upgrade it to use even longer like they did the older macs.

    So fighting against replaceable batteries seems along the line for them.

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