Probably should've just asked Wolfram Alpha

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[–] 157 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Not even moderately helpful for printer questions.

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    Google's AI seems dumber than the rest, for example here's Kagi answering the same (using Claude):


    edit: typoed question originally

    Perhaps Google's tried to make it run too cheaply - Kagi's one doesn't run unless you ask for it, and as a paid product it'll have different priorities.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    There are two meanings being conflated here.

    "1/3 more" can mean "+ 1/3" or "* (1 + 1/3)“.

    So "1/3 more than 1/3" could be 2/3 or 4/9, but not 1/2.

    Instead 1/2 is 1/2 more than 1/3, not 1/3 more. That's the meme I've seen go around recently.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    Yes, and the Google AI response is correct (and quite clear) in what it says. edit: Thanks Batman. I mean that Google's understanding of the question is logical (although still the maths is wrong as you say (now I've re-read you)) and its answer explained the angle it was answering from.

    However, I think the reasonable assumption for the intention behind the question is relative to a whole. I had third of a pizza, and now I have an extra sixth of a pizza. It's subtle, but that's the kind of thing AI falls down on.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I agree with your assessment regarding the intention of the phrase. We're back at the silly arithmetic meme that hinges on not grouping terms explicitly and watching people yell at each other in the mistaken belief that there's one authoritative interpretation of an ambiguous string of symbols.

    Still, the actual mistake remains. Why an extra 1/6 of the pizza? 1/3 of 1/3 is 1/9, not 1/6. That's 1/2 of 1/3.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I thought we were finally agreeing fully! My understanding of the question is "what is the difference between a third (of a pizza, say) and a half?"

    1/2 - 1/3 = 1/6
    1/2 = 1/3 + 1/6
    a half is one sixth more than a third.

    btw, I fixed my Kagi screenshot since I'd missed a word from the question (reading comprehension's clearly not my strong point today)

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Kagi has Claude built in? I've been using it for a year and didn't know that.

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    [–] 40 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    one third plus one half of one third is one half.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I think thats an issue with AI, it has been so much trained on complex questions that now when you ask a simple one, it mistakes it for a complex one and answers it that way

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    [–] 34 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Now ask it if a Third-of-a-Pound burger is bigger than a Quarter Pounder

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    (1/3) +(1/2)(1/3) = 1/2

    Math checks out from this end.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "a half is one-third more than a third" should mean either

    1/3 + 1/3 = 1/2

    Or

    1/3 + (1/3 × 1/3) = 1/2

    Neither of which is true.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    This is very clearly an example of bad AI, but maybe it was trying (and failing) to convey this?

    Basically, 1/3 + 1/9 + 1/27 + 1/81 + ... + 1/3^n = 1/2.

    Probably not. But maybe.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I’m thinking it’s trying to say:

    (2/6) + (1/6) = (3/6) = (4/6) - (1/6)

    But either in “colloquial English for those who want to give other people aneurysms” or “colloquial English for those trying to sound smarter but aren’t”

    Basically that the degree of difference between a half and a third is the same degree of difference between a half and two thirds- and that degree of difference is “one part”.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "42"

    "The answer to life the universe and everything is 42!?"

    "Yes, I checked it quite thoroughly."

    ...

    "But what was the actual question?"


    Alternatively, garbage in, garbage out.

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  • [+] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Maybe the intent is to make people even dumber. It’s just misinformation all the way down.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Wouldn't even be surprised at this point. It seems the system is intentionally designed to discourage critical thinking and apparently knowing how to do math properly is too close for comfort now.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago*

    Someone I know had an old friend on their Facebook timeline say that schools should be reformed and don’t need classes like algebra. Then they proceeded to list fields kids could receive training for instead… and all of them required math of some sort.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Oh. I just noticed the extraneous word in the search, which might be throwing off the LLM trying to understand it.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago*

    I asked ChatGPT these questions and got sensible answers.

    How much more is one half than one third?

    [subtraction answer: 1/6 more]

    That's one possibility, but what about the other way to interpret that question?

    [ratio answer, but expressed as "1.5 times as much" rather than "1/2 more"]

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I read it as “A third of a third plus a third is a half.” Which makes sense to me. What an I missing?

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