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Back on Standard Time (lemmy.world)
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[–] 40 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Good. I don't need light in the evening, I need it in the morning so I can wake up feeling rested. End DST; make standard time permanent.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Fuck that, use coffee like everyone else. Sun after work is literally the only time I see sun in the winter.

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  • [+] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Fuck you morning people and normalizing waking up early in the morning to the point where sleeping until we're rested is lazy and staying up "late" is irresponsible. We adapted to your schedule using the aids we have available and now you shame us as addicts for doing what we had to do to accommodate your morning hegemony. I say, how dare you sir! /Half-joking

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Oh I've got a window alright. It is set up perfectly right so that on the day after ST takes over I can see the sun set 6 minutes before I get off work. Sun's down, guess I can go outside now!

    That is absolutely devilish. I have to get to work so I'll wake up whenever to get there. But all outdoors evening activities are, at best, a complete joke 5 months of the year because of fucking ST. Wanna take a quick jog around the neighborhood? Bad news bitch, it's pitch black outside. Here's to hoping I don't get run over by a fucking bus.

    "Sun rises after work starts" is a setup for caffeine addiction, but "sun sets before work ends" is a setup for crippling alcoholism. Literally nothing to look forward to all day long, five months a year. I will not take any shit from so-called morning people about this, there is one objective truth here and it's that standard business hours being the worldwide standard that they are, ST the absolute fucking worst for office workers.

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  • [+] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Cop-out answer. Ending capitalism and ending ST are not the same fight. I'm not confident I'll see the former happen in my lifetime, but the latter is a distinct possibility (though the pro-ST "I hate to see the sun in my free time" people have a slight edge where I live). Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

    Also I'm not even sure how ending capitalism is actually relevant. My skillset is office stuff, and until further notice humans still need to collaborate to get things done and therefore have a concept of "business hours" (though those don't have to be 8-6).

    I see the "8 hours of work is too many" angle, but that problem is mostly orthogonal to capitalism. Capitalist societies can (and have) changed the standard number of working hours. Communist societies are not exempt from the concept of mandatory labor either (quite the contrary for all historical examples!). If you're looking for an economic model where everyone is free to work whenever they damn well please, I'm afraid you'll have to bring the replicator thingies from Star Trek into existence first.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    No make summertime permanent so you have one hour more in the evening.. It's going to be dark in the morning no matter what.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Get up one hour earlier, and voila, one extra hour of daylight. No need to impose the clock change to everybody.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You are literally doing that with the archaic β€œget up earlier” mentality. 99% of people will be awake at 5-6pm to take advantage of an extra hour of light.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Or, you know, wake up at the same literal time, no matter what the clock says. Listen to your circadian rhythms, not some number on the wall. The time shift doesn't magically give people an extra hour. That's all marketing. DST stands for Daylight Stealing Time, as far as I'm concerned.

    Disclaimer: I'm a night owl; I could care less for waking up early.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Making the time wrong makes people get up later, tho.

    I didn't mind getting up at 6-7am in Indonesia, I HATE getting up before 9am in the Netherlands. But then, the Netherlands is 2 hours off its natural time zone...

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    That's nice for people who don't need to be out of bed until 6ish in the morning. See how much you might enjoy it when you need to be up a 4:30am every day. The last damn thing I need is the sun being up until 10pm and a bunch of clowns whoopin' and hollerin' until 11pm because DST.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago

    Summertime is terrible, especially in summer. You have one less usable hour in the evening.

    During the summer you cannot really go outside until the sun goes down. It’s simply too hot in direct sunlight. Summer evenings are nice, after the sun goes down and the world starts to cool down a little. By moving the clock forwards we have an hour less of usable outdoor-time. It also means you have less time for things to cool down before going to sleep.

    DST makes it so you have to go bed too early, being unable to enjoy the evening, and when you go to bed it’s too hot to sleep, but you have to because you have to get up at a ridiculous time the next morning.

    Instead of DST we should introduce MST (Moonlight Saving TIme) and move the clock an hour backwards in summer. Then we can actually enjoy our summer evenings and go to bed once things have cooled down a little more. The earlier sunrise doesn’t matter since there is such a thing as blackout curtains.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Where do you live within your timezone?

    I think your sentiment comes from people living on the western side of their time zone, where sunrise and sunset is an hour later than on the eastern end. On the western edge of the timezone (Detroit, for example, on the west end of the Eastern timezone), sunrise in winter could be as late as 9AM.

    On the eastern end of a timezone, sunset can be as early as 3:45PM. As early as you want your sunlight, I think we can agree that a sunset before 4PM is ridiculously absurd.

    If you are, indeed, on the western edge of the timezone as I think, we could adopt DST, and move you to the next zone to the west, which would put you on the same time as standard time in your current zone. You win, we win, everyone wins.

    Alternatively, we could adopt Standard Time, and move people on the eastern edge to the next time zone to the east, which would put them on the same time zone as DST in their current time zone. Again, you win, we win, everyone wins.

    Are you on the western edge of your timezone, or at least in the western half?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Plus if standard time becomes normal year round sunrise in places like NYC would be 4:30 (with first light at 3 AM). Bonkers early

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Exactly. New York would probably elect to stay permanently on UTC-4 (EDT/Atlantic Standard Time), and never switch to UTC-5 (EST) like they are now. Michigan would probably choose UTC-5 permanently, and never switch to UTC-4, like they currently do in the summer.

    Both states are in the same time zone. They probably shouldn't be when we go to permanent time.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not having sunrise unill 8:15 in winter is nightmarish. Its also much easier to make your room dark in mid summer than stimulate sunrise in mid winter.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Its easier to illuminate a bedroom in the morning than the great outdoors in a ridiculously early evening.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Just go outside earlier. We should change jobs and work hours not cause half of everyone sleep deprivation. We can all can win, but its not by using DST year round.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Let's stop using the terms "DST" and "standard time". They really confuse the issue. The contiguous US uses UTC-4 (EDT) , UTC-5 (EST/CDT) UTC-6 (CST/MDT), UTC-7 (MST/PDT) and UTC-8 (PST) time zones. We aren't all going to be using the same UTC offset for permanent time. We are all going to be adopting the UTC offset that makes sense for our region.

    New England and Michigan are currently in the same time zone, which switches between UTC-4 and UTC-5. Year-round UTC-5 puts dawn before 4am in New York City during the summer. New England should absolutely not be on UTC-5 in the summer. They should be on UTC-4. On permanent UTC-4, New York dawns will always be between 5 and 8 AM.

    Year-round UTC-4 puts dawn at 9am in Detroit during the winter. Detroit should absolutely not be in UTC-4 in the winter. On permanent UTC-5, Detroit dawns will always be between 5 and 8 AM.

    New York should be on permanent UTC-4. Detroit should be on permanent UTC-5.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    8 am is too late, sunrise must be before school start.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    8am is the latest sunrise in a Detroit winter on EST, UTC-5. If you want it earlier, Detroit can't be on EST, let alone EDT. They would need to be on CST, UTC-6, which the never are. Solar noon would be around 11:15 AM. Sunset would be before 4PM.

    Are you just being contrary for the sake of being contrary?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Then perhaps school should adjust but if new York stayed on -5 in winter Schools would start in the dark, which actually happens in a lot of places. Its bad for kids and we should use schools schedules bc they are publicly aun and the people who we must take care of to set the time. Everything else is obviously flexible.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    While Intend to agree that the time needs to accommodate school schedules, it is ludicrous to base school schedules on the latest sunrise of the year, especially since that sunrise is only that late for a few weeks of the year, and for >2 of those weeks, the kids are on winter break anyway.

    Schools can adjust their schedules on much smaller increments.

    if new York stayed on -5 in winter

    New York is on UTC-5 in winter.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Side benefit: mid-day is once again at 12:00, instead of being at 13:00 DST. Not an issue for some, but it's annoying for me to know that the sun's local apex is an hour later than it should be.

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