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[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 195 points 2 years ago (4 children) Electric buses have a battery from a probably reputable supplier, with a decent BMS. Escooters often come from AliExpress. There is a difference. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Also it's not even a choice. Busses are not mass produced vehicles they're regulated individually made commercial vehicles, and when the bus manufacturers say 'were not building manual transmissions as of X date', that's it. It's not happening anymore. Same with ABS, and now electric, unless you want to start manufacturing busses yourself, it's not gonna be a choice by then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 1 point 2 years ago It's not just that; it's that a regulator signed off on the bus, the city has liability insurance on the bus, and the bus manufacturer will themselves be accredited and insured. permalink fedilink source parent [–] echodot@feddit.uk 20 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's insane to ban e-bikes though since most of those come from reputable sources who are internationally recognized bike manufacturers. The people who made my electric bike also make professional bicycles for Olympians. Pretty sure the battery is reliable and isn't going to explode. My bike has fallen into a swimming pool while switched on (don't ask) and nothing happened. Literally it didn't even register anything had happened it just carried it on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) My bike has fallen into a swimming pool while switched on (don't ask) You're not the boss of me. What happened? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] holgersson@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) The bike felt the battery heating up and wanted to cool down permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's why I never buy sapient vehicles. That and the whole "is this slavery?" issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] holgersson@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I want my vehicle to be sapient enough to moan when I whip it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yours may be fine. Barry Shitpea's £100 dodgy 2000W temu special may not. And you can't expect a bus driver to inspect every bike to only let reputable brands on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago My coworker bought one for $500 shipped. I highly doubt that battery has been properly inspected, especially since just buying a battery with similar capacity costs more than that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 years ago The problem is telling the difference between a good bike (noting that even Samsung screwed that up with the Note 7...) and these: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/fire-brigade-calls-for-e-bike-battery-clampdown-after-london-man-suffers-life-changing-burns permalink fedilink source parent [–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Didn't see them banning powerbank or batteries from powertools, and both also allowed on plane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Allowed in carry on but not checked bags, for the same reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) One is allowed, one is straight out banned. One is high up in the sky, one is on the land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago And both of your sentences rhyme. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IncogCyberspaceUser@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) How is it better for those batteries to malfunction in the passenger compartment instead of the storage compartment of the plane? I don't understand that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 years ago Cabin crew on aircraft have fireproof bags and rather effective fire extinguishers. Dealing with a battery in the cargo hold isn't possible. If you want to carry a battery on an aircraft it generally has to be less than 100 (sometimes 160) watt-hours, whereas e-bike and other batteries are often 10x that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Aircraft typically have a limit of 100 or 160 watt-hours and require that the battery be separate or the whole device be small (think laptop sized) so that you can dump it in a fireproof bag. An e-bike has a ~1kWh battery that is probably strapped or zip-tied in place and there's probably no serious firefighting equipment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 1 point 2 years ago Stop and dump it at the road side? permalink fedilink source parent [–] nehal3m@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think it’s worth considering banning that type of battery, but a whole category of vehicles? There could be good reasons to ban the whole category as well but then state that, instead of making up some shit about batteries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] muzzle@lemm.ee 44 points 2 years ago (1 child) No one has the time to check every escooter against a long list of battery supplier every time one wants to board. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] nehal3m@sh.itjust.works -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sure, but you can ban imports and make them illegal to own just like any other thing. You can't prevent all crime but that's no reason not to try. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 34 points 2 years ago the bus company can not ban imports permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago ಠ_ಠ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Also it's not even a choice. Busses are not mass produced vehicles they're regulated individually made commercial vehicles, and when the bus manufacturers say 'were not building manual transmissions as of X date', that's it. It's not happening anymore. Same with ABS, and now electric, unless you want to start manufacturing busses yourself, it's not gonna be a choice by then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 1 point 2 years ago It's not just that; it's that a regulator signed off on the bus, the city has liability insurance on the bus, and the bus manufacturer will themselves be accredited and insured. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 1 point 2 years ago It's not just that; it's that a regulator signed off on the bus, the city has liability insurance on the bus, and the bus manufacturer will themselves be accredited and insured. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 20 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's insane to ban e-bikes though since most of those come from reputable sources who are internationally recognized bike manufacturers. The people who made my electric bike also make professional bicycles for Olympians. Pretty sure the battery is reliable and isn't going to explode. My bike has fallen into a swimming pool while switched on (don't ask) and nothing happened. Literally it didn't even register anything had happened it just carried it on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) My bike has fallen into a swimming pool while switched on (don't ask) You're not the boss of me. What happened? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] holgersson@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) The bike felt the battery heating up and wanted to cool down permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's why I never buy sapient vehicles. That and the whole "is this slavery?" issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] holgersson@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I want my vehicle to be sapient enough to moan when I whip it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yours may be fine. Barry Shitpea's £100 dodgy 2000W temu special may not. And you can't expect a bus driver to inspect every bike to only let reputable brands on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago My coworker bought one for $500 shipped. I highly doubt that battery has been properly inspected, especially since just buying a battery with similar capacity costs more than that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 years ago The problem is telling the difference between a good bike (noting that even Samsung screwed that up with the Note 7...) and these: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/fire-brigade-calls-for-e-bike-battery-clampdown-after-london-man-suffers-life-changing-burns permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) My bike has fallen into a swimming pool while switched on (don't ask) You're not the boss of me. What happened? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] holgersson@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) The bike felt the battery heating up and wanted to cool down permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's why I never buy sapient vehicles. That and the whole "is this slavery?" issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] holgersson@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I want my vehicle to be sapient enough to moan when I whip it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] holgersson@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) The bike felt the battery heating up and wanted to cool down permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's why I never buy sapient vehicles. That and the whole "is this slavery?" issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] holgersson@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I want my vehicle to be sapient enough to moan when I whip it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's why I never buy sapient vehicles. That and the whole "is this slavery?" issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] holgersson@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I want my vehicle to be sapient enough to moan when I whip it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] holgersson@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I want my vehicle to be sapient enough to moan when I whip it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yours may be fine. Barry Shitpea's £100 dodgy 2000W temu special may not. And you can't expect a bus driver to inspect every bike to only let reputable brands on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago My coworker bought one for $500 shipped. I highly doubt that battery has been properly inspected, especially since just buying a battery with similar capacity costs more than that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago My coworker bought one for $500 shipped. I highly doubt that battery has been properly inspected, especially since just buying a battery with similar capacity costs more than that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 years ago The problem is telling the difference between a good bike (noting that even Samsung screwed that up with the Note 7...) and these: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/fire-brigade-calls-for-e-bike-battery-clampdown-after-london-man-suffers-life-changing-burns permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Didn't see them banning powerbank or batteries from powertools, and both also allowed on plane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Allowed in carry on but not checked bags, for the same reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) One is allowed, one is straight out banned. One is high up in the sky, one is on the land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago And both of your sentences rhyme. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IncogCyberspaceUser@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) How is it better for those batteries to malfunction in the passenger compartment instead of the storage compartment of the plane? I don't understand that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 years ago Cabin crew on aircraft have fireproof bags and rather effective fire extinguishers. Dealing with a battery in the cargo hold isn't possible. If you want to carry a battery on an aircraft it generally has to be less than 100 (sometimes 160) watt-hours, whereas e-bike and other batteries are often 10x that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Aircraft typically have a limit of 100 or 160 watt-hours and require that the battery be separate or the whole device be small (think laptop sized) so that you can dump it in a fireproof bag. An e-bike has a ~1kWh battery that is probably strapped or zip-tied in place and there's probably no serious firefighting equipment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 1 point 2 years ago Stop and dump it at the road side? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Allowed in carry on but not checked bags, for the same reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) One is allowed, one is straight out banned. One is high up in the sky, one is on the land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago And both of your sentences rhyme. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IncogCyberspaceUser@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) How is it better for those batteries to malfunction in the passenger compartment instead of the storage compartment of the plane? I don't understand that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 years ago Cabin crew on aircraft have fireproof bags and rather effective fire extinguishers. Dealing with a battery in the cargo hold isn't possible. If you want to carry a battery on an aircraft it generally has to be less than 100 (sometimes 160) watt-hours, whereas e-bike and other batteries are often 10x that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) One is allowed, one is straight out banned. One is high up in the sky, one is on the land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago And both of your sentences rhyme. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago And both of your sentences rhyme. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IncogCyberspaceUser@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) How is it better for those batteries to malfunction in the passenger compartment instead of the storage compartment of the plane? I don't understand that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 years ago Cabin crew on aircraft have fireproof bags and rather effective fire extinguishers. Dealing with a battery in the cargo hold isn't possible. If you want to carry a battery on an aircraft it generally has to be less than 100 (sometimes 160) watt-hours, whereas e-bike and other batteries are often 10x that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 years ago Cabin crew on aircraft have fireproof bags and rather effective fire extinguishers. Dealing with a battery in the cargo hold isn't possible. If you want to carry a battery on an aircraft it generally has to be less than 100 (sometimes 160) watt-hours, whereas e-bike and other batteries are often 10x that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Aircraft typically have a limit of 100 or 160 watt-hours and require that the battery be separate or the whole device be small (think laptop sized) so that you can dump it in a fireproof bag. An e-bike has a ~1kWh battery that is probably strapped or zip-tied in place and there's probably no serious firefighting equipment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 1 point 2 years ago Stop and dump it at the road side? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 1 point 2 years ago Stop and dump it at the road side? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nehal3m@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think it’s worth considering banning that type of battery, but a whole category of vehicles? There could be good reasons to ban the whole category as well but then state that, instead of making up some shit about batteries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] muzzle@lemm.ee 44 points 2 years ago (1 child) No one has the time to check every escooter against a long list of battery supplier every time one wants to board. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] nehal3m@sh.itjust.works -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sure, but you can ban imports and make them illegal to own just like any other thing. You can't prevent all crime but that's no reason not to try. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 34 points 2 years ago the bus company can not ban imports permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago ಠ_ಠ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] muzzle@lemm.ee 44 points 2 years ago (1 child) No one has the time to check every escooter against a long list of battery supplier every time one wants to board. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] nehal3m@sh.itjust.works -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sure, but you can ban imports and make them illegal to own just like any other thing. You can't prevent all crime but that's no reason not to try. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 34 points 2 years ago the bus company can not ban imports permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago ಠ_ಠ permalink fedilink source parent
[+] nehal3m@sh.itjust.works -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sure, but you can ban imports and make them illegal to own just like any other thing. You can't prevent all crime but that's no reason not to try. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 34 points 2 years ago the bus company can not ban imports permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago ಠ_ಠ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 34 points 2 years ago the bus company can not ban imports permalink fedilink source parent
