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[+] 59 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)
  • [–] 75 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_MMR_autism_fraud in case anyone isn't familiar with the study you're talking about. Imagine being wrong so hard that you lose your license to practice medicine but keep up the act for decades afterward. Wakefield is such a piece of shit.

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  • [+] 32 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Figured the fraud mentioned in the wiki article covered the "dishonest" part and "wrong" was easier to prove. I can't rule out the possibility that he's in so deep that he really believes what he's saying (not that it'd make the situation any better).

    Sucks to hear that you've had bad reactions in the past but I'm glad it didn't turn you against them as a whole. Hopefully enough of the rest of us can get them and lower the overall risk of illness when flu season rolls around.

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  • [+] 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    I'm actually the same way, I'm one of those that got myocarditis after the vaccine, but I also understand that nothing is side affect free so while it stinks for me I still 100% support the use of vaccines... Thankfully after a few weeks/months the heart palpitations stopped.

    I mean ... Polio anyone? No? Chickenpox? Oh yeah that's right, vaccines. They actually worked.

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  • [+] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Chickenpox. Ahem. We didn’t have a vaccine for that when I was a child. We just caught it and were miserable for a few weeks.

    I'm sorry to tell you that's not what happened.

    You had chickenpox for a few weeks whilst the shingles bedded down nice and cosy in your nerves ready to strike again when your immune system is down. It's not over and it'll be worse when it comes back.

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  • [+] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    There's a chicken pox vaccine that prevents you from catching it yes. The shingles vaccine reduces the risk of the shingles you already have breaking through into active infection for about 10 years and then isn't effective a second time. (Currently) there's no not-having-shingles once you've got it.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    IIRC, he wasn't even anti vax at the start. He was being paid to peddle separate vaccines and claimed it was just the MMR jab that could cause autism.

    Which is still bollocks anyway, but people will do anything to deny that autism runs in their family...

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    And if only, it was just him in the autism field. SBC isn't better than him on the piece of shit scale.

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  • [–] 36 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I love when people claim to not trust the science of vaccines. Vaccines created using the same scientific method that allowed the invention of the smart phones they're typing from. The same science that allows for all modern medicine, energy production, manuacturing, etc.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    most cookers don't understand what the scientific method is. my brother thinks it's like some list of formulas scientists use to see if something is true or not, not the entire actual process around theory/observation/evidence/peer review. they thibk "science" indoctrinates people to think a certain way and that scientists somehow are told to ignore everything not in a textbook. no explaining how wrong this is in over 3 years has helped

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  • I mean, the scientific method produces mistakes - it's just that the scientific method is also intended to fix those mistakes over time. Being critical of research is helpful for the correct functioning of the scientific method, but this has nothing to do with conspiracy theorists who will question the overwhelmingly corroborated general principles that determine the functioning of AC or light bulbs.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago* (9 children)

    I think you’re missing that she is a pediatrician and not just a “doctor.” Pediatricians administer a big majority of vaccines and care for the patients receiving them. They probably do learn a hell of a lot more about them than, say, an oncologist who spends all their time treating cancer in old people. And they see the effects of them up close in the field. Any doctor is constantly researching and staying up to date. A pediatrician worth their salt is very well educated on all relevant studies even if they didn’t conduct those studies with their own two hands. I reject the notion that you need to conduct the studies to know the science: that’s a ludicrous bar for us to set.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    In even more fairness, reading memes on Facebook makes you even less of an expert on vaccines.

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  • [+] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    In all fairness downplaying medical school makes you ignorant

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    First of all, fuck you. Nowhere did anyone say she was an expert. Like let me just pick up this goal post and move it.

    Second of all fuck you. You don't need to be an expert know the experts opinion.

    Did I mention, fuck you?

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