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Living conditions in Ukraine are resembling a new slavery, a triumph of Western 'democracy' in the 21st century (english.almayadeen.net)
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[–] 2 points 2 years ago* (6 children)

I don't think that you fully understand what's happening. This is not Call of Duty. Leave any internal political issues until the end of the war. Right now, you're helping Russia.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Leave any internal political issues until the end of the war

    and how do you imagine they'll do that exactly? how are they even to begin resolving their political issues when all leftwing parties have been banned, unions are severely restricted, and strikes and protests have been made illegal? even if the allow for free elections again, any post-war government will have to act adhere to the neoliberal repayment programs of the IMF and other foreign actors, meaning further wage cuts, more austerity, more privatization

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    and how do you imagine they’ll do that exactly?

    That's not my business. Ukrainians have showed multiple times over the past 30 years that they know how to deal with bad politicians. Don't try to come up and solve problems that don't exist today. Today the country as at war and not spreading Russian propaganda the least we could do.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    but these problems do exist today? that's literally the whole point of the article. and what they're experience today—extreme salary cuts, austerity, longer work days, poorer access to public goods—isn't going to magically go away once the war is over. especially not when every avenue ukrainians have to protests their government is being criminalized

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That’s not my business.

    What is your business then exactly? Is it property, or people? You seem to be on the side of property with no regard for the conditions of the people who exist on that property.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's the Sargon of Akkad tactic of screaming "I don't care!" while inserting themselves into every single conversation. Somehow they seem to think their dumb uninformed opinions are always equally worthy of merit despite doing zero homework. If you look into the thread, you'll notice most people didn't even read the article.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Oh, you think that reading nonsense online makes you smart, worthy and informed? Lol.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Usually, yeah, reading and investigation is the main basis for getting informed. Specially for something so far away. How do you get "informed"? Through sheer willpower and thought?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think you don't realize the irony of you saying that

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    To be honest, I read nonsense only when I get replies from people like you.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    people like you

    Trans communists who like the She-Ra reboot? Oddly specific.

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  • [–] [S] 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    So are we just supposed to allow (heck, even support!) Ukraine despite them implementing a system of modern slavery for their people, blocking civilians from fleeing, and forced conscription, some of it even slated to last even beyond the end of the war, because to even criticise it is "helping Russia"? Helping Russia do what, exactly? Look better than Ukraine? That's on Ukraine to be the big boy.

    This is not Call of Duty, a war is waged for political reasons, and therefore the politics of it should be laid bare.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They are not implementing a system of modern slavery, they're protecting their country and fighting for their lives.

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  • [–] [S] 28 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm quoting again:

    The new draft law on the mobilization of workers is intended to "ensure the functioning of the national economy under martial law", in the words of those drafting the law. It is noteworthy that in early August, Ukraine began to talk about a likely ban against military conscripts leaving the country for three years following an eventual end to military hostilities and martial law. Just such a proposal was recently made by Vadym Denysenko [...], head of the Ukrainian Institute for the Future and a former advisor to the head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs. Denysenko said, "I am sure that even after the war it will be necessary to extend the ban on men traveling abroad for at least another three years. Otherwise, we simply will not survive as a nation."

    Please illuminate me in your wisdom, how banning people from leaving while conscripting them to either fight in the front or forced labour is not a form slavery. Whose lives are being saved by arresting people trying to flee the country?

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Don't you get it? People come and go, they live and die but what lasts is lines on maps. The lines on the map are the only thing that matters. If Russia moves the line on the map into Ukraine to cover people that want to live in Russia whats to stop them from moving other lines into other nations where people who speak Russian feel persecuted by their government and nazis?

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  • [–] [S] 27 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    People over here sound so much like CK2 players that I get flashbacks to the thrashfire Pagan Fury dlc soundtrack. "You don't understand, they're fighting a genocide! Which is why we must conscript and self-genocide the entirety of Ukraine to prevent the separatist half of Ukraine from being genocided by their allies!"

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Jesus, you sound psychotic. borderline nationalist. people being forced into slavery for the sake of their countey? for the sake of the donbas? really? would you be a slave for lines on a map?

    like, seriously. jews in the Holocaust did hard labor for Germany's lines on the map. is that justified? to save germany from the allies? what is wrong with you?

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  • [+] -10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes, you should support Ukraine. No it's not slavery.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Care to elaborate? AFAIK, forced labour under the threat of harm and no conditions for escape fits very well into most modern definitions of slavery. But go on, why should I support Ukraine despite this?

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  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    They are being invaded.

    But you don't care about that, you're a tankie who defends genocide.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I don't follow. Yes, they are at war. How does that justify labour conscriptions and banning fleeing? I do care about people not dying and having dignity, you see. But sending teenagers into slaughter or forcing them to work to that same slaughter industry doesn't help anybody. It is basically a self-genocide by the Ukrainian government. No wonder that it started as a war against eastern Ukrainians.

    Who here exactly defends genocide when the only thing I want in this war is for the suicidal tactics of the Ukrainian government to pause for a second so that civilians can flee and live better lives elsewhere? But you don't care about that, you're a liberal who will justify every war crime from your favourite North Atlantic countries and their puppet governments, under the guise of empathy.

    See, 2 can play that game of ad hominem. Answer the question: "How is this not comparable to a modern slave state?"

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You're excusing the genocide of the separatist regions and making up nonsense about this being ww2 2.0. You're the real genocide denier.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Proving once again you're just a genocide apologist willing to use "genocide" to excuse a genocide.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ha, a throwback to my childhood.

    "If we don't send thoughtlessy load more people and munitions into the meat grinder right this minute, then the terrorists win!"

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ukraine has never asked to send people. You have no idea what's happening and why, do you?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago*

    Lol we've have a news megathread every day since the SMO started full of military, economic, historical and sociological analysis regarding every new develpoment in the region. You should stop in sometime, you might learn something.

    Like how the US and it's vassals are shoving Ukranians into the meat grinder by torpedoing every round of negotiations while buying up Ukranian land and assets at rock bottom prices. But hey, I don't expect you forced conscription and cluster bomb enthusiasts to be well-versed in any situation when it's so much easier to just vibe out and cheer for Our Team.

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