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Joan Jett Rule (lemmy.world)
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[–] 231 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Who ever thought punk was not progressive? At minimum it was blatantly anti-authoritarian and counter to the conservative culture in Thatcher's UK and Reagan's US. Why would anyone be shocked to find out that it was also pro-choice, feminist, and anti-discriminatory?

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  • [–] 148 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Because the Nazi skinheads did a great job of co-opting the punk title for most people who weren't actually interested in punk. The news media were very complicit in pushing that specific image to undermine the punk movement to the general public.

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  • [–] 64 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    That's new to me. Where I live, punks and skinheads are natural enemies

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  • [–] 61 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    Like skinheads and goths, or skinheads and greasers, or skinheads and other skinheads

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Labor skinheads and neonazi skinheads.

    I was so sad when I discovered the Hammerskins were a thing (a White Power band inspired by Pink Floyd's Waiting For The Worms, but without the irony, with a corresponding militant movement). The Hammerskins took their logo:

    From the Hammers banner from the movie version of Pink Floyd's The Wall

    Which means when I reference the Hammers in parody of white power movements, I risk being associated with an actual white power movement.

    If they had balls, they'd call themselves The Worms.

    <looking up to make sure The Worms isn't a social movement yet>

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's true everywhere. The issue isn't what they are, the issue is how they were deliberately misrepresented. A whole lot of films and shows made it a point to conflate punks with white supremacists.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    I wanted to say that that's what they are seen here in Germany. I have never heard of these films and the idea is new to me. Btw: the original skinheads were left working class so maybe history repeats itself here.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    But does the average Joe know that?

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  • [–] 60 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Nazi punks can fuck off

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    The Nazi skinheads co-opted skinhead. After the Geraldo Rivera episode everyone I knew let their hair grow out because they didn't want to be associated with that shit. Before that there were only a few isolated scenes where you'd see Nazi skinheads. Cutting off your hair was popular in the hardcore punk scenes because it was contrary to the long feathered hair popular in the 70's and 80's plus it was a lot easier than trying to get a Mohawk to stand up straight. That took a whole can of hairspray and we were all broke.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Because the Nazi skinheads did a great job of co-opting the punk title

    Nah. They tried REAL hard to infiltrate and take over, but real punks always managed to repel them.

    for most people who weren't actually interested in punk

    And/or were just old fogies.

    The news media were very complicit in pushing that specific image to undermine the punk movement to the general public.

    Corporate news and undermining left wing people by conflating them with far right hate clubs. Name a more iconic duo.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Because the right have been carefully spending decades rewriting history and dumbfucks keep falling for it. Punk, doctor who and ratm were never conservative but pundits will tell you at great length how shocked and appalled they are when these things keep being left af

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I mean a pretty popular punk song is NOFX Ronnie and Mags. It just talks incredible shit about Regan and thatcher. Listen to NOFX Jesusland and that should indicate what it’s all about. Damn I love punk.

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