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[–] 134 points 2 years ago* (13 children)

So the meme is in agreement that defacing Stonehenge as a protest was pointless?

There are ways to get attention for a cause without defacing one of the seven wonders of the world. Next time spray that cornstarch in BP’s corporate parking lot.

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  • [–] 120 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The fact that you missed the Stonehenge under water worries me.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

    I saw it. That implies that spraying cornstarch won’t change anything. Think about it.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    You need to learn to become compelling if you want to be heard. Annoying people will get you ignored, and likely discredited.

    Also, you know nothing about me.

    https://lemmy.world/comment/10754742

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Oh your a spineless defeatists! Anyways...

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    That’s the implication of the meme.

    I think there are better ways to bring attention to the concerns of climate change than defacing Stonehenge.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah I'm sure you were against the BLM protests as well. Begone liberal 👋

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    It’s really cool how you decide the opinions and stance of others based on your own opinions. I’m sure you’re always right too.

    I protested with BLM in Yonkers in June of 2020, but I’m sure you’re usually 100% correct otherwise.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    And you're someone with poor spelling and reading comprehension.

    It's you're, not your.

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  • [–] 75 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Like the 3 private jets that were vandalized with orange paint in London. That's the kind of thing I can support, it makes headlines, it grounds the planes reducing emissions, and it specifically targets those who are causing the most harm.

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  • [–] 79 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    It hasn't made headlines though. Juststopoil goes after oil terminals, car manufacturers etc pretty often but it's never reported on. The only protest that gets attention is souping painting or spraying cornflour on rocks.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    You don’t have to sell me on climate change protests. I’ve attended a few myself.

    I’m criticizing the delivery, not the message. The majority of people that heard that protest were those who travelled from around the world to see Stonehenge. Their plans were ruined, and they don’t care any more about climate change than they did that morning. Some may even resent the protesters.

    Performative radicalism is only compelling to those already behind a cause. It’s discrediting to everyone else, who should be your target audience.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I’m criticizing the delivery, not the message.The majority of people that heard that protest were those who travelled from around the world to see Stonehenge. Their plans were ruined, and they don’t care any more about climate change than they did that morning. Some may even resent the protesters.

    "You know, I don't disagree that the coloreds should have more rights, but did they really need to sit at the lunch counter all day? I couldn't sit at the counter and it made my lunch take so much longer. Really inconvenient to everyone trying to get some food.

    I just wished they'd go about it differently. They're liable to make people even less accepting of them if they keep pulling stunts like that."

    I hope you know that's what you sound like. Like, read the first paragraph of MLK Jr's Letter from Birmingham Jail and you'll see your argument in the "white moderate":

    I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    The majority of people that heard that protest were those who travelled from around the world to see Stonehenge.

    I didn't travel to see Stonehenge and I'm hearing about it. So is everyone in this thread.

    Their plans were ruined

    And I see that now that the stones have been shown to be undamaged the dismissal of the protest is pivoting to "the poor people taking recreational flights have had their entire trip ruined!!!"

    If people become less likely to take unnecessary flights because protestors might "ruin their trip" I would consider that an absolute win.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    So the meme is in agreement that defacing Stonehenge as a protest was pointless?

    The meme is saying you're getting angry about the wrong thing.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    I’m not angry. I’m disappointed by performative radicalism of an important cause. It doesn’t help the message as much as it strokes the egos of those involved, and will likely be discrediting to those we need to reach.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Now, I am not the biggest fan of those kinds of actions, because they are indeed exploited heavily by the burgeois press, but let's talk about attention. I remember there being at least two paint defacings and damaging of private jets here in Germany in 2023 by similar groups. There was next to no press about it - and if you search for it today, it is genuinely hard to find the articles that even mention them, one I found even focusing on the legal questions of insurance, instead of writing about the broader issues at all:

    https://www.t-online.de/region/hamburg/id_100188204/letzte-generation-farbattacke-auf-sylter-privatjet-so-hoch-ist-der-schaden.html https://www.aerotelegraph.com/wer-zahlt-bei-einem-farbanschlag-auf-ein-privatflugzeug

    So, you would be surprised - actions that target more "deserving" targets often just.... aren't talked about at all, or very little, small footnotes. This at least starts debates, which cannot be denied.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    In the same way, give this a year. Do you think it would be referred to as a “great point in addressing climate change,” or “those kids that defaced Stonehenge?”

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    It might just also be talked about as "that event everyone got angry about because of false reporting", or "that event where I argued with some people online, and I realised they made better points than I thought", or "that event that made me think about what actions would have been better". There is more than the main narrative, and more than just a single engagement with it if there's discussion happening.

    So, yeah, it will create a lot of hostility, but maybe even a possibility to recontextualise that hostility for some people.

    But not to say you don't have any point at all - it's true that it can make some things harder to properly talk about, makes it all the more important to oppose the main narrative whenever possible and not feed into it.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Quite literally the opposite, no one will remember that Stonehenge was defaced with cornflour, but we will see and remember climate change.

    That's just a meme about the fake outrage used as a diversion, instead of the real issue and why people resort to defacing art and monuments for their cause to be in focus.

    Any publicity is good publicity.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago

    It's not at all one of the seven wonders of the world, is not even the coolest henge in England and like maybe 5 top five in Europe. It's just famous because it was restored well within your parents lifetime for most of us.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    nice whataboutism, "they should do this instead". oh they do, but you don't care when they do.

    the delivery didn't deface anything, if you want to focus on the delivery and once again ignore the message at least be honest. willing or not, messages like this do BP bidding

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