ameancow comments on Stone Rule

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[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago

I'm criticizing the delivery, not the message.

That's the same argument white liberals used during the civil Rights movement.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

Is it? I used to bring literature to protests, now I bring QR codes. I’ve personally educated hundreds, if not thousands on initiatives over the years. That drives more change than ruining a family trip. Being compelling has been more successful than being loud in my experience.

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[–] MiltownClowns@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I've heard of them. I've never heard of you. Your experience is insufficient data to be making this grandiose of a statement.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

I advocate for the cause I protest, not myself. How many people do you think will be compelled to care or learn more about climate change after this protest? How many people’s plans to see Stonehenge were ruined, leading to resentment of the cause?

Activism isn’t like Trump’s campaign. Bad press is in fact, bad press.

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[–] MiltownClowns@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

They have compelled more discussion in this single thread than you have with your whole life. Your moral grandstanding is nice. Effective tactics are nicer.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Discussion of what? Awareness of what? How do you see debating the method as success in discussion or awareness of a problem? If it were successful, we’d be sharing talking points, research materials, compelling speeches, etc.

This was an egotistical attempt to get noticed. It worked as intended.

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[–] MiltownClowns@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

We're not talking about anything of substance because of you and people like you purposefully and disingenuously distorting the facts. Its fucking cornstarch. I haven't had kids because I think the world isn't going to be around for my grand kids and its selfish to create new life with that knowledge. But you keep talking about the fucking cornstarch as if these people smacked your mother. Shut the fuck up. Get some perspective you pompous dolt.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

How often do you successfully get others to care about a cause with abrasive condescension?

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[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I've heard of them. I've never heard of you.

Not exactly a good thing..... One of the problems with making a lot of noise is drowning out the voices of others on the same side.

Political capital is a thing, utilizing it in a protest that doesn't really accomplish anything but turning public sentiment against your cause is kinda a dumb way to spend it.

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[–] MiltownClowns@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

You say they're spending political capital. I say they're building political capital. They're creating a fuss. They're creating noise, which can then be turned into action. What are you doing?

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[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

I say they're building political capital. They're creating a fuss.

The people who think of this as a net positive are already supportive of climate change initiatives. So who exactly are they building political capital with?

They're creating noise, which can then be turned into action.

How? In what situation is there a problem that is more easily solved when people "make a fuss"?

What are you doing?

Not turning potential allies into enemies?

What are you doing?

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[–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago

This argument is pointless. Neither of you is right. Arguing for or against optics is pointless.