▲ 189 ▼ San Diego officer resigns after locking himself in patrol car with woman he arrested (www.sandiegouniontribune.com) submitted 2 years ago by some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org to c/thepoliceproblem@lemmy.world 50 comments fedilink hide all child comments The investigators also asked Hair for permission to check his uniforms for semen. “I don’t know my rights. Do I have to?” the former officer asked. “I don’t think I want to do that.” I plead the right to no blacklight searches!
[+] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -44 points 2 years ago (1 child) She's neither dead nor was she raped. Maybe read more than just the headline. This is more a case of corruption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dwalin@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (1 child) He was in a position of power, and took advantage of that said position of power. It may not be you typical alley rape but its sexual assault (ps i know nothing about laws, #notlegaladvice) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -42 points 2 years ago (2 children) He was in a position of power, and took advantage of that said position of power. To benefit himself and her alike. He might as well could've taken money instead of sexual favors, in which case you wouldn't call it "stealing" either, but a bribe. It's corruption. Calling everything sexual "rape" is just downplaying the severity of actual rape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Trofont@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) So just to clarify, if a police officer has someone arrested and says "perform sexual favors or I'll make your punishment more severe potentially affecting you life and livelihood" that to you is the same as a bribe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] no_kill_i@lemmy.ca -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you'd have read the article, you'd know that's not what happened. “You’re not too bad,” the woman can be heard saying on body-worn camera footage. “What’s it gonna hurt me if I work the system, you know what I mean?” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 37 points 2 years ago (1 child) People in police custody cannot legally consent to sex. Regardless of how willing she was, she was still being held against her will. That, by california law, is still rape. By your reasoning, would threatening a woman until she has sex with you still count as rape? Because you seem to be saying that everything is fine and dandy as long as the woman eventually consents, regardless of circumstance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] no_kill_i@lemmy.ca -13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Coerced consent is not consent, so sex after threats is rape, yeah, I agree with you there. But that's not what happened in this case. I don't think the two scenarios are the same. The cop still committed a crime, I just don't think the crime is rape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Trofont@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago According to California law it's literally rape. So you're quibbling over fine line definitions for no reason. In addition, the woman would not have had sex with him if not for his position and authority. The fact that she didn't scream and complain is irrelevant. It's the same as if a woman doesn't fight off an aggressor because shes afraid of more or worse violence. The lack of physical resistance is not consent. permalink fedilink source parent [+] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -21 points 2 years ago No, because they then would coerce the victim. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) you don't understand how coercion works. libertarian maybe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're in a plane crash and wake up on an island... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago flashbacks to the most hilariously butchered metaphors permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) It would've been coercion if the cop had offered her something in exchange of sexual favors, which is the exact opposite of what happened. So, seems like you don't understand how coercion works. And keep your Ameritard labels for yourself please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago lol it's worse than i thought. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dwalin@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (1 child) He was in a position of power, and took advantage of that said position of power. It may not be you typical alley rape but its sexual assault (ps i know nothing about laws, #notlegaladvice) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -42 points 2 years ago (2 children) He was in a position of power, and took advantage of that said position of power. To benefit himself and her alike. He might as well could've taken money instead of sexual favors, in which case you wouldn't call it "stealing" either, but a bribe. It's corruption. Calling everything sexual "rape" is just downplaying the severity of actual rape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Trofont@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) So just to clarify, if a police officer has someone arrested and says "perform sexual favors or I'll make your punishment more severe potentially affecting you life and livelihood" that to you is the same as a bribe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] no_kill_i@lemmy.ca -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you'd have read the article, you'd know that's not what happened. “You’re not too bad,” the woman can be heard saying on body-worn camera footage. “What’s it gonna hurt me if I work the system, you know what I mean?” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 37 points 2 years ago (1 child) People in police custody cannot legally consent to sex. Regardless of how willing she was, she was still being held against her will. That, by california law, is still rape. By your reasoning, would threatening a woman until she has sex with you still count as rape? Because you seem to be saying that everything is fine and dandy as long as the woman eventually consents, regardless of circumstance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] no_kill_i@lemmy.ca -13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Coerced consent is not consent, so sex after threats is rape, yeah, I agree with you there. But that's not what happened in this case. I don't think the two scenarios are the same. The cop still committed a crime, I just don't think the crime is rape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Trofont@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago According to California law it's literally rape. So you're quibbling over fine line definitions for no reason. In addition, the woman would not have had sex with him if not for his position and authority. The fact that she didn't scream and complain is irrelevant. It's the same as if a woman doesn't fight off an aggressor because shes afraid of more or worse violence. The lack of physical resistance is not consent. permalink fedilink source parent [+] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -21 points 2 years ago No, because they then would coerce the victim. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) you don't understand how coercion works. libertarian maybe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're in a plane crash and wake up on an island... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago flashbacks to the most hilariously butchered metaphors permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) It would've been coercion if the cop had offered her something in exchange of sexual favors, which is the exact opposite of what happened. So, seems like you don't understand how coercion works. And keep your Ameritard labels for yourself please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago lol it's worse than i thought. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -42 points 2 years ago (2 children) He was in a position of power, and took advantage of that said position of power. To benefit himself and her alike. He might as well could've taken money instead of sexual favors, in which case you wouldn't call it "stealing" either, but a bribe. It's corruption. Calling everything sexual "rape" is just downplaying the severity of actual rape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Trofont@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) So just to clarify, if a police officer has someone arrested and says "perform sexual favors or I'll make your punishment more severe potentially affecting you life and livelihood" that to you is the same as a bribe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] no_kill_i@lemmy.ca -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you'd have read the article, you'd know that's not what happened. “You’re not too bad,” the woman can be heard saying on body-worn camera footage. “What’s it gonna hurt me if I work the system, you know what I mean?” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 37 points 2 years ago (1 child) People in police custody cannot legally consent to sex. Regardless of how willing she was, she was still being held against her will. That, by california law, is still rape. By your reasoning, would threatening a woman until she has sex with you still count as rape? Because you seem to be saying that everything is fine and dandy as long as the woman eventually consents, regardless of circumstance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] no_kill_i@lemmy.ca -13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Coerced consent is not consent, so sex after threats is rape, yeah, I agree with you there. But that's not what happened in this case. I don't think the two scenarios are the same. The cop still committed a crime, I just don't think the crime is rape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Trofont@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago According to California law it's literally rape. So you're quibbling over fine line definitions for no reason. In addition, the woman would not have had sex with him if not for his position and authority. The fact that she didn't scream and complain is irrelevant. It's the same as if a woman doesn't fight off an aggressor because shes afraid of more or worse violence. The lack of physical resistance is not consent. permalink fedilink source parent [+] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -21 points 2 years ago No, because they then would coerce the victim. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) you don't understand how coercion works. libertarian maybe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're in a plane crash and wake up on an island... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago flashbacks to the most hilariously butchered metaphors permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) It would've been coercion if the cop had offered her something in exchange of sexual favors, which is the exact opposite of what happened. So, seems like you don't understand how coercion works. And keep your Ameritard labels for yourself please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago lol it's worse than i thought. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Trofont@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) So just to clarify, if a police officer has someone arrested and says "perform sexual favors or I'll make your punishment more severe potentially affecting you life and livelihood" that to you is the same as a bribe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] no_kill_i@lemmy.ca -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you'd have read the article, you'd know that's not what happened. “You’re not too bad,” the woman can be heard saying on body-worn camera footage. “What’s it gonna hurt me if I work the system, you know what I mean?” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 37 points 2 years ago (1 child) People in police custody cannot legally consent to sex. Regardless of how willing she was, she was still being held against her will. That, by california law, is still rape. By your reasoning, would threatening a woman until she has sex with you still count as rape? Because you seem to be saying that everything is fine and dandy as long as the woman eventually consents, regardless of circumstance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] no_kill_i@lemmy.ca -13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Coerced consent is not consent, so sex after threats is rape, yeah, I agree with you there. But that's not what happened in this case. I don't think the two scenarios are the same. The cop still committed a crime, I just don't think the crime is rape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Trofont@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago According to California law it's literally rape. So you're quibbling over fine line definitions for no reason. In addition, the woman would not have had sex with him if not for his position and authority. The fact that she didn't scream and complain is irrelevant. It's the same as if a woman doesn't fight off an aggressor because shes afraid of more or worse violence. The lack of physical resistance is not consent. permalink fedilink source parent [+] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -21 points 2 years ago No, because they then would coerce the victim. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] no_kill_i@lemmy.ca -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you'd have read the article, you'd know that's not what happened. “You’re not too bad,” the woman can be heard saying on body-worn camera footage. “What’s it gonna hurt me if I work the system, you know what I mean?” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 37 points 2 years ago (1 child) People in police custody cannot legally consent to sex. Regardless of how willing she was, she was still being held against her will. That, by california law, is still rape. By your reasoning, would threatening a woman until she has sex with you still count as rape? Because you seem to be saying that everything is fine and dandy as long as the woman eventually consents, regardless of circumstance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] no_kill_i@lemmy.ca -13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Coerced consent is not consent, so sex after threats is rape, yeah, I agree with you there. But that's not what happened in this case. I don't think the two scenarios are the same. The cop still committed a crime, I just don't think the crime is rape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Trofont@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago According to California law it's literally rape. So you're quibbling over fine line definitions for no reason. In addition, the woman would not have had sex with him if not for his position and authority. The fact that she didn't scream and complain is irrelevant. It's the same as if a woman doesn't fight off an aggressor because shes afraid of more or worse violence. The lack of physical resistance is not consent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 37 points 2 years ago (1 child) People in police custody cannot legally consent to sex. Regardless of how willing she was, she was still being held against her will. That, by california law, is still rape. By your reasoning, would threatening a woman until she has sex with you still count as rape? Because you seem to be saying that everything is fine and dandy as long as the woman eventually consents, regardless of circumstance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] no_kill_i@lemmy.ca -13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Coerced consent is not consent, so sex after threats is rape, yeah, I agree with you there. But that's not what happened in this case. I don't think the two scenarios are the same. The cop still committed a crime, I just don't think the crime is rape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Trofont@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago According to California law it's literally rape. So you're quibbling over fine line definitions for no reason. In addition, the woman would not have had sex with him if not for his position and authority. The fact that she didn't scream and complain is irrelevant. It's the same as if a woman doesn't fight off an aggressor because shes afraid of more or worse violence. The lack of physical resistance is not consent. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] no_kill_i@lemmy.ca -13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Coerced consent is not consent, so sex after threats is rape, yeah, I agree with you there. But that's not what happened in this case. I don't think the two scenarios are the same. The cop still committed a crime, I just don't think the crime is rape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Trofont@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago According to California law it's literally rape. So you're quibbling over fine line definitions for no reason. In addition, the woman would not have had sex with him if not for his position and authority. The fact that she didn't scream and complain is irrelevant. It's the same as if a woman doesn't fight off an aggressor because shes afraid of more or worse violence. The lack of physical resistance is not consent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Trofont@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago According to California law it's literally rape. So you're quibbling over fine line definitions for no reason. In addition, the woman would not have had sex with him if not for his position and authority. The fact that she didn't scream and complain is irrelevant. It's the same as if a woman doesn't fight off an aggressor because shes afraid of more or worse violence. The lack of physical resistance is not consent. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -21 points 2 years ago No, because they then would coerce the victim. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) you don't understand how coercion works. libertarian maybe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're in a plane crash and wake up on an island... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago flashbacks to the most hilariously butchered metaphors permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) It would've been coercion if the cop had offered her something in exchange of sexual favors, which is the exact opposite of what happened. So, seems like you don't understand how coercion works. And keep your Ameritard labels for yourself please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago lol it's worse than i thought. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're in a plane crash and wake up on an island... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago flashbacks to the most hilariously butchered metaphors permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago flashbacks to the most hilariously butchered metaphors permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) It would've been coercion if the cop had offered her something in exchange of sexual favors, which is the exact opposite of what happened. So, seems like you don't understand how coercion works. And keep your Ameritard labels for yourself please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago lol it's worse than i thought. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago lol it's worse than i thought. permalink fedilink source parent