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This community supports labor, with an aspiration for it to cease to be required to live our lives. Members of this community want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and/or want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.

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Start here! Some of the more talked-about essays on the topic.

The Abolition of Work by Bob Black (1985) | listen
On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber (2013) | listen
In Praise of Idleness by Bertrand Russell (1932) | listen

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[–] mochi@lemdit.com 18 points 3 years ago (4 children)

Packing a box is skilled labor?

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Technically neither are since they don't require a recognised qualification to be eligible to apply.

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[–] scottywh@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

I mean... Just as logically though, they both are... Any shit takes practice to get good at really.

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[+] the_third@feddit.de 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

McDonald's definitely don't care if their employees are effective or not. And they don't reward effectiveness so what's the point in trying.

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[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

If McDonalds didn't care about effectiveness they wouldn't be a household name, let alone an international corporation. People talk down about fast food, but it isn't their business strategies that are bad.

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[–] mochi@lemdit.com 2 points 2 years ago

I think the problem is that people don't get paid enough to care anymore. Not even the managers. There's too much wealth hoarding at the top in the US.

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[–] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago

That's not what the term means though. These are actual, real terms, that denote the amount of qualification needed to do a job.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 2 points 3 years ago

Oh just wait. We're getting closer and closer to "graduate degree minimum requirement for all janitorial positions..."

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[–] _xDEADBEEF@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

No, that's why temping agencies easily fill warehouse positions

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[–] Kahlenar@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago

Lol

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[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago

All labour is skilled labor. Unskilled labour was created by capitalists as a flimsy justification for paying people unlivable wages. ANY labour deserves a livable wage. Needing a second job is an injustice.

Now that being said, packing boxes for Amazon is 100% unskilled labour. A machine spits out the box template sheet with creases where the cardboard sheet should be folded to turn it into a box within seconds. Another machine prints the receipt that goes inside, and Another machine spits out an appropriate amount of packing to make sure the product stays in place inside the box. Another machine spits out a calculated amount of tape. Another machine spits out the info sticker that needs to be stuck on the outside. Does this need a lot of skill or training? I don't think so, no.

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[+] treefrog@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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