▲ 1058 ▼ It's only okay when MY favorite country does it. (lemm.ee) submitted 2 years ago by rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world 182 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 78 points 2 years ago (4 children) They're technically not banning tiktok, they're banning China from owning tiktok permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] bouh@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (3 children) Which is somehow even worse : it's like only the USA is allowed to spy on everyone! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] duffman@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) They can still spy, but why would we make it easier for them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bouh@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) So you don't ridiculise your country by promoting freedom of trade but seizing the assets of the countries you don't like when it's a better tech than yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can't be ridiculed if you feel no shame. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* our most and least popular politician is a sex predator who earned all his money by his dad dying and is currently at risk of losing his money because he can't stop lying about things. The greatest monument to american shamelessness is Donald J Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] duffman@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I'm not with my government on a lot of things they do. I want the same data rights and restrictions to apply to all companies that host people's personal information. But what's this about Impressive tech? Tiktoc? First that's laughable, even more laughable is how you phrase is as if anyone would give a fuck if another country had some better tech. Sounds like you are projecting your own insecurities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It will be just as easy for them, just less profitable. Now they'll just pay Zuckerberg or Musk for the information. If they aren't already. permalink fedilink source parent [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) And it’s not like they can’t maintain use of the thing while not being owners. Come on. Like there’s some magic rule if a company’s not owned by China, it can’t be used as a Chinese intelligence source? Come on. If social media is in cahoots with foreign intelligence, there are better ways to handle it in my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The fact that China is using disinformation to stop the forced sale of TikTok is pretty telling that they will be negatively impacted by this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Or that they’re willing to expend energy to get us to think that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Every superpower spies on their citizens. Every single one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) They're functionally forcing the sale of the company to a US Firm at fire sale prices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rinox@feddit.it 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, you are right. They should do like they do in China, sell to a JV with a local company at fire sales price... Oh wait permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago sell to a JV with a local company at fire sales price The Chinese policy is to share ownership with locals, so that a firm isn't simply extracting wealth from the Chinese market. The American policy is to seize a pre-existing firm after it has developed, by accusing its Singapore founder of being a secret Chinese Communist. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is primarily intended as a hostile buyout of tiktok. It has literally nothing to do with China. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Lmao, the USA doesn't operate the commercial sector outside of power, trains, rockets, and planes. It won't benefit from the sale in any way other than lowering Chinese involvement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US government works for the billionaires that run the economy. Many billionaires want to buy tiktok. In fact, there's already teams of people set up for buying out tiktok. The government is just the tool for the hostile acquisition. No one said the US government is directly purchasing tiktok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US Government and Billionaires are opposing forces, one political party wants to tax billionaires while the other is on the payroll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They’re not at all opposing forces. Some billionaires are in competition with each other and political parties are tools at certain billionaires disposal. The act of taxing income is but one political mechanism used to influence the power of some billionaires over another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So which of these shadow government billionaires is pro-government in your eyes? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’m not sure I understand your question. They are both pro-government. If any one human could be the personification of government, it would be the President of the United States. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So every billionaire is pro-government, and against taxation, but also pro-taxation to hurt the other billionaires (each other) but also the political party with a platform of "Tax the Rich" is in no way actually opposed to the political party who literally cuts taxes for the rich? You should see a doctor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Again, taxation is but one of many levers pulled in the working of government which have substantial implications on billionaires. Whether and where to impose tariffs or regulation, for example, are decisions which wealthy business owners are very concerned. I’ll see a doctor as soon as you approach others with more respect. Let’s not Reddit Lemmy with unmerited hostility. permalink fedilink source parent [+] finnie@lemmy.world -23 points 2 years ago (4 children) They're not going to sell though. The US only makes up a single-digit % of their users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) The USA is the biggest single market https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/tiktok-users-by-country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nothing I said is incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Didn’t disagree with you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago* Then you agree that they're not going to sell? What does being the largest single market have to do with this? Fucking make a point, dude. permalink fedilink source parent [+] finnie@lemmy.world -23 points 2 years ago Then you have no point? They're not going to sell their money machine because a tiny fraction of it went away. permalink fedilink source parent [+] finnie@lemmy.world -25 points 2 years ago (2 children) Then you agree that they're not going to sell? What does being the largest single market have to do with this? Fucking make a point, dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Calm the fuck down dude, jesus christ. Go touch grass permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Still not a point 👍 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Build your own inferences off of what someone has said. Chasing them down for clarity or elaboration wastes words. Just fill in your best guess, mention it, and move on. They can correct if they suddenly care. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Bruh have a beer and calm tf down permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do you have a source for that? This seems to claim the most users are from the U.S. China doesn't use the same product. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1299807/number-of-monthly-unique-tiktok-users/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Your source is fine 👍 Yours says that ~90% of their users are not from the US. Despite the US being Tiktoks largest single-country user base they still only make up a sliver of their monthly-active users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just over 4% of the worlds population is making up 10% of the usage. I suppose the owners shouldn't care about that sliver of the users. They should care more about the smaller slivers, got it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Tiktok is one of the largest social media apps on earth, they're not selling it over a sliver. Why does it matter how much bigger the sliver is than the other ones? Are you stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hamid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Me too permalink fedilink source parent [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 7 points 2 years ago "TikTok" is an American Company. Their owners, ByteDance, also own a nearly identical product in china called 抖音 (Douyin). The Chinese version is much more closely operated by the military, their offices are literally military owned buildings and lots. permalink fedilink source parent [–] S_204@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago How much of their ad revenue comes from America though? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bouh@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (3 children) Which is somehow even worse : it's like only the USA is allowed to spy on everyone! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] duffman@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) They can still spy, but why would we make it easier for them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bouh@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) So you don't ridiculise your country by promoting freedom of trade but seizing the assets of the countries you don't like when it's a better tech than yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can't be ridiculed if you feel no shame. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* our most and least popular politician is a sex predator who earned all his money by his dad dying and is currently at risk of losing his money because he can't stop lying about things. The greatest monument to american shamelessness is Donald J Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] duffman@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I'm not with my government on a lot of things they do. I want the same data rights and restrictions to apply to all companies that host people's personal information. But what's this about Impressive tech? Tiktoc? First that's laughable, even more laughable is how you phrase is as if anyone would give a fuck if another country had some better tech. Sounds like you are projecting your own insecurities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It will be just as easy for them, just less profitable. Now they'll just pay Zuckerberg or Musk for the information. If they aren't already. permalink fedilink source parent [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) And it’s not like they can’t maintain use of the thing while not being owners. Come on. Like there’s some magic rule if a company’s not owned by China, it can’t be used as a Chinese intelligence source? Come on. If social media is in cahoots with foreign intelligence, there are better ways to handle it in my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The fact that China is using disinformation to stop the forced sale of TikTok is pretty telling that they will be negatively impacted by this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Or that they’re willing to expend energy to get us to think that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Every superpower spies on their citizens. Every single one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] duffman@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) They can still spy, but why would we make it easier for them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bouh@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) So you don't ridiculise your country by promoting freedom of trade but seizing the assets of the countries you don't like when it's a better tech than yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can't be ridiculed if you feel no shame. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* our most and least popular politician is a sex predator who earned all his money by his dad dying and is currently at risk of losing his money because he can't stop lying about things. The greatest monument to american shamelessness is Donald J Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] duffman@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I'm not with my government on a lot of things they do. I want the same data rights and restrictions to apply to all companies that host people's personal information. But what's this about Impressive tech? Tiktoc? First that's laughable, even more laughable is how you phrase is as if anyone would give a fuck if another country had some better tech. Sounds like you are projecting your own insecurities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It will be just as easy for them, just less profitable. Now they'll just pay Zuckerberg or Musk for the information. If they aren't already. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bouh@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) So you don't ridiculise your country by promoting freedom of trade but seizing the assets of the countries you don't like when it's a better tech than yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can't be ridiculed if you feel no shame. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* our most and least popular politician is a sex predator who earned all his money by his dad dying and is currently at risk of losing his money because he can't stop lying about things. The greatest monument to american shamelessness is Donald J Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] duffman@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I'm not with my government on a lot of things they do. I want the same data rights and restrictions to apply to all companies that host people's personal information. But what's this about Impressive tech? Tiktoc? First that's laughable, even more laughable is how you phrase is as if anyone would give a fuck if another country had some better tech. Sounds like you are projecting your own insecurities. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can't be ridiculed if you feel no shame. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* our most and least popular politician is a sex predator who earned all his money by his dad dying and is currently at risk of losing his money because he can't stop lying about things. The greatest monument to american shamelessness is Donald J Trump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* our most and least popular politician is a sex predator who earned all his money by his dad dying and is currently at risk of losing his money because he can't stop lying about things. The greatest monument to american shamelessness is Donald J Trump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] duffman@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I'm not with my government on a lot of things they do. I want the same data rights and restrictions to apply to all companies that host people's personal information. But what's this about Impressive tech? Tiktoc? First that's laughable, even more laughable is how you phrase is as if anyone would give a fuck if another country had some better tech. Sounds like you are projecting your own insecurities. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It will be just as easy for them, just less profitable. Now they'll just pay Zuckerberg or Musk for the information. If they aren't already. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) And it’s not like they can’t maintain use of the thing while not being owners. Come on. Like there’s some magic rule if a company’s not owned by China, it can’t be used as a Chinese intelligence source? Come on. If social media is in cahoots with foreign intelligence, there are better ways to handle it in my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The fact that China is using disinformation to stop the forced sale of TikTok is pretty telling that they will be negatively impacted by this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Or that they’re willing to expend energy to get us to think that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The fact that China is using disinformation to stop the forced sale of TikTok is pretty telling that they will be negatively impacted by this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Or that they’re willing to expend energy to get us to think that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Or that they’re willing to expend energy to get us to think that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Every superpower spies on their citizens. Every single one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) They're functionally forcing the sale of the company to a US Firm at fire sale prices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rinox@feddit.it 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, you are right. They should do like they do in China, sell to a JV with a local company at fire sales price... Oh wait permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago sell to a JV with a local company at fire sales price The Chinese policy is to share ownership with locals, so that a firm isn't simply extracting wealth from the Chinese market. The American policy is to seize a pre-existing firm after it has developed, by accusing its Singapore founder of being a secret Chinese Communist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rinox@feddit.it 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, you are right. They should do like they do in China, sell to a JV with a local company at fire sales price... Oh wait permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago sell to a JV with a local company at fire sales price The Chinese policy is to share ownership with locals, so that a firm isn't simply extracting wealth from the Chinese market. The American policy is to seize a pre-existing firm after it has developed, by accusing its Singapore founder of being a secret Chinese Communist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago sell to a JV with a local company at fire sales price The Chinese policy is to share ownership with locals, so that a firm isn't simply extracting wealth from the Chinese market. The American policy is to seize a pre-existing firm after it has developed, by accusing its Singapore founder of being a secret Chinese Communist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is primarily intended as a hostile buyout of tiktok. It has literally nothing to do with China. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Lmao, the USA doesn't operate the commercial sector outside of power, trains, rockets, and planes. It won't benefit from the sale in any way other than lowering Chinese involvement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US government works for the billionaires that run the economy. Many billionaires want to buy tiktok. In fact, there's already teams of people set up for buying out tiktok. The government is just the tool for the hostile acquisition. No one said the US government is directly purchasing tiktok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US Government and Billionaires are opposing forces, one political party wants to tax billionaires while the other is on the payroll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They’re not at all opposing forces. Some billionaires are in competition with each other and political parties are tools at certain billionaires disposal. The act of taxing income is but one political mechanism used to influence the power of some billionaires over another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So which of these shadow government billionaires is pro-government in your eyes? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’m not sure I understand your question. They are both pro-government. If any one human could be the personification of government, it would be the President of the United States. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So every billionaire is pro-government, and against taxation, but also pro-taxation to hurt the other billionaires (each other) but also the political party with a platform of "Tax the Rich" is in no way actually opposed to the political party who literally cuts taxes for the rich? You should see a doctor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Again, taxation is but one of many levers pulled in the working of government which have substantial implications on billionaires. Whether and where to impose tariffs or regulation, for example, are decisions which wealthy business owners are very concerned. I’ll see a doctor as soon as you approach others with more respect. Let’s not Reddit Lemmy with unmerited hostility. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Lmao, the USA doesn't operate the commercial sector outside of power, trains, rockets, and planes. It won't benefit from the sale in any way other than lowering Chinese involvement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US government works for the billionaires that run the economy. Many billionaires want to buy tiktok. In fact, there's already teams of people set up for buying out tiktok. The government is just the tool for the hostile acquisition. No one said the US government is directly purchasing tiktok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US Government and Billionaires are opposing forces, one political party wants to tax billionaires while the other is on the payroll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They’re not at all opposing forces. Some billionaires are in competition with each other and political parties are tools at certain billionaires disposal. The act of taxing income is but one political mechanism used to influence the power of some billionaires over another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So which of these shadow government billionaires is pro-government in your eyes? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’m not sure I understand your question. They are both pro-government. If any one human could be the personification of government, it would be the President of the United States. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So every billionaire is pro-government, and against taxation, but also pro-taxation to hurt the other billionaires (each other) but also the political party with a platform of "Tax the Rich" is in no way actually opposed to the political party who literally cuts taxes for the rich? You should see a doctor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Again, taxation is but one of many levers pulled in the working of government which have substantial implications on billionaires. Whether and where to impose tariffs or regulation, for example, are decisions which wealthy business owners are very concerned. I’ll see a doctor as soon as you approach others with more respect. Let’s not Reddit Lemmy with unmerited hostility. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US government works for the billionaires that run the economy. Many billionaires want to buy tiktok. In fact, there's already teams of people set up for buying out tiktok. The government is just the tool for the hostile acquisition. No one said the US government is directly purchasing tiktok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US Government and Billionaires are opposing forces, one political party wants to tax billionaires while the other is on the payroll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They’re not at all opposing forces. Some billionaires are in competition with each other and political parties are tools at certain billionaires disposal. The act of taxing income is but one political mechanism used to influence the power of some billionaires over another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So which of these shadow government billionaires is pro-government in your eyes? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’m not sure I understand your question. They are both pro-government. If any one human could be the personification of government, it would be the President of the United States. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So every billionaire is pro-government, and against taxation, but also pro-taxation to hurt the other billionaires (each other) but also the political party with a platform of "Tax the Rich" is in no way actually opposed to the political party who literally cuts taxes for the rich? You should see a doctor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Again, taxation is but one of many levers pulled in the working of government which have substantial implications on billionaires. Whether and where to impose tariffs or regulation, for example, are decisions which wealthy business owners are very concerned. I’ll see a doctor as soon as you approach others with more respect. Let’s not Reddit Lemmy with unmerited hostility. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US Government and Billionaires are opposing forces, one political party wants to tax billionaires while the other is on the payroll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They’re not at all opposing forces. Some billionaires are in competition with each other and political parties are tools at certain billionaires disposal. The act of taxing income is but one political mechanism used to influence the power of some billionaires over another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So which of these shadow government billionaires is pro-government in your eyes? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’m not sure I understand your question. They are both pro-government. If any one human could be the personification of government, it would be the President of the United States. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So every billionaire is pro-government, and against taxation, but also pro-taxation to hurt the other billionaires (each other) but also the political party with a platform of "Tax the Rich" is in no way actually opposed to the political party who literally cuts taxes for the rich? You should see a doctor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Again, taxation is but one of many levers pulled in the working of government which have substantial implications on billionaires. Whether and where to impose tariffs or regulation, for example, are decisions which wealthy business owners are very concerned. I’ll see a doctor as soon as you approach others with more respect. Let’s not Reddit Lemmy with unmerited hostility. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They’re not at all opposing forces. Some billionaires are in competition with each other and political parties are tools at certain billionaires disposal. The act of taxing income is but one political mechanism used to influence the power of some billionaires over another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So which of these shadow government billionaires is pro-government in your eyes? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’m not sure I understand your question. They are both pro-government. If any one human could be the personification of government, it would be the President of the United States. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So every billionaire is pro-government, and against taxation, but also pro-taxation to hurt the other billionaires (each other) but also the political party with a platform of "Tax the Rich" is in no way actually opposed to the political party who literally cuts taxes for the rich? You should see a doctor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Again, taxation is but one of many levers pulled in the working of government which have substantial implications on billionaires. Whether and where to impose tariffs or regulation, for example, are decisions which wealthy business owners are very concerned. I’ll see a doctor as soon as you approach others with more respect. Let’s not Reddit Lemmy with unmerited hostility. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So which of these shadow government billionaires is pro-government in your eyes? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’m not sure I understand your question. They are both pro-government. If any one human could be the personification of government, it would be the President of the United States. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So every billionaire is pro-government, and against taxation, but also pro-taxation to hurt the other billionaires (each other) but also the political party with a platform of "Tax the Rich" is in no way actually opposed to the political party who literally cuts taxes for the rich? You should see a doctor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Again, taxation is but one of many levers pulled in the working of government which have substantial implications on billionaires. Whether and where to impose tariffs or regulation, for example, are decisions which wealthy business owners are very concerned. I’ll see a doctor as soon as you approach others with more respect. Let’s not Reddit Lemmy with unmerited hostility. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’m not sure I understand your question. They are both pro-government. If any one human could be the personification of government, it would be the President of the United States. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So every billionaire is pro-government, and against taxation, but also pro-taxation to hurt the other billionaires (each other) but also the political party with a platform of "Tax the Rich" is in no way actually opposed to the political party who literally cuts taxes for the rich? You should see a doctor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Again, taxation is but one of many levers pulled in the working of government which have substantial implications on billionaires. Whether and where to impose tariffs or regulation, for example, are decisions which wealthy business owners are very concerned. I’ll see a doctor as soon as you approach others with more respect. Let’s not Reddit Lemmy with unmerited hostility. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So every billionaire is pro-government, and against taxation, but also pro-taxation to hurt the other billionaires (each other) but also the political party with a platform of "Tax the Rich" is in no way actually opposed to the political party who literally cuts taxes for the rich? You should see a doctor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Again, taxation is but one of many levers pulled in the working of government which have substantial implications on billionaires. Whether and where to impose tariffs or regulation, for example, are decisions which wealthy business owners are very concerned. I’ll see a doctor as soon as you approach others with more respect. Let’s not Reddit Lemmy with unmerited hostility. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tbs9000@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Again, taxation is but one of many levers pulled in the working of government which have substantial implications on billionaires. Whether and where to impose tariffs or regulation, for example, are decisions which wealthy business owners are very concerned. I’ll see a doctor as soon as you approach others with more respect. Let’s not Reddit Lemmy with unmerited hostility. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] finnie@lemmy.world -23 points 2 years ago (4 children) They're not going to sell though. The US only makes up a single-digit % of their users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) The USA is the biggest single market https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/tiktok-users-by-country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nothing I said is incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Didn’t disagree with you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago* Then you agree that they're not going to sell? What does being the largest single market have to do with this? Fucking make a point, dude. permalink fedilink source parent [+] finnie@lemmy.world -23 points 2 years ago Then you have no point? They're not going to sell their money machine because a tiny fraction of it went away. permalink fedilink source parent [+] finnie@lemmy.world -25 points 2 years ago (2 children) Then you agree that they're not going to sell? What does being the largest single market have to do with this? Fucking make a point, dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Calm the fuck down dude, jesus christ. Go touch grass permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Still not a point 👍 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Build your own inferences off of what someone has said. Chasing them down for clarity or elaboration wastes words. Just fill in your best guess, mention it, and move on. They can correct if they suddenly care. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Bruh have a beer and calm tf down permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do you have a source for that? This seems to claim the most users are from the U.S. China doesn't use the same product. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1299807/number-of-monthly-unique-tiktok-users/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Your source is fine 👍 Yours says that ~90% of their users are not from the US. Despite the US being Tiktoks largest single-country user base they still only make up a sliver of their monthly-active users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just over 4% of the worlds population is making up 10% of the usage. I suppose the owners shouldn't care about that sliver of the users. They should care more about the smaller slivers, got it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Tiktok is one of the largest social media apps on earth, they're not selling it over a sliver. Why does it matter how much bigger the sliver is than the other ones? Are you stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hamid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Me too permalink fedilink source parent [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 7 points 2 years ago "TikTok" is an American Company. Their owners, ByteDance, also own a nearly identical product in china called 抖音 (Douyin). The Chinese version is much more closely operated by the military, their offices are literally military owned buildings and lots. permalink fedilink source parent [–] S_204@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago How much of their ad revenue comes from America though? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) The USA is the biggest single market https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/tiktok-users-by-country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nothing I said is incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Didn’t disagree with you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago* Then you agree that they're not going to sell? What does being the largest single market have to do with this? Fucking make a point, dude. permalink fedilink source parent [+] finnie@lemmy.world -23 points 2 years ago Then you have no point? They're not going to sell their money machine because a tiny fraction of it went away. permalink fedilink source parent [+] finnie@lemmy.world -25 points 2 years ago (2 children) Then you agree that they're not going to sell? What does being the largest single market have to do with this? Fucking make a point, dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Calm the fuck down dude, jesus christ. Go touch grass permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Still not a point 👍 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Build your own inferences off of what someone has said. Chasing them down for clarity or elaboration wastes words. Just fill in your best guess, mention it, and move on. They can correct if they suddenly care. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Bruh have a beer and calm tf down permalink fedilink source parent
[+] finnie@lemmy.world -17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nothing I said is incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Didn’t disagree with you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago* Then you agree that they're not going to sell? What does being the largest single market have to do with this? Fucking make a point, dude. permalink fedilink source parent [+] finnie@lemmy.world -23 points 2 years ago Then you have no point? They're not going to sell their money machine because a tiny fraction of it went away. permalink fedilink source parent [+] finnie@lemmy.world -25 points 2 years ago (2 children) Then you agree that they're not going to sell? What does being the largest single market have to do with this? Fucking make a point, dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Calm the fuck down dude, jesus christ. Go touch grass permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Still not a point 👍 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Build your own inferences off of what someone has said. Chasing them down for clarity or elaboration wastes words. Just fill in your best guess, mention it, and move on. They can correct if they suddenly care. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Bruh have a beer and calm tf down permalink fedilink source parent
[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Didn’t disagree with you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago* Then you agree that they're not going to sell? What does being the largest single market have to do with this? Fucking make a point, dude. permalink fedilink source parent [+] finnie@lemmy.world -23 points 2 years ago Then you have no point? They're not going to sell their money machine because a tiny fraction of it went away. permalink fedilink source parent [+] finnie@lemmy.world -25 points 2 years ago (2 children) Then you agree that they're not going to sell? What does being the largest single market have to do with this? Fucking make a point, dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Calm the fuck down dude, jesus christ. Go touch grass permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Still not a point 👍 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Build your own inferences off of what someone has said. Chasing them down for clarity or elaboration wastes words. Just fill in your best guess, mention it, and move on. They can correct if they suddenly care. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Bruh have a beer and calm tf down permalink fedilink source parent
[+] finnie@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago* Then you agree that they're not going to sell? What does being the largest single market have to do with this? Fucking make a point, dude. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] finnie@lemmy.world -23 points 2 years ago Then you have no point? They're not going to sell their money machine because a tiny fraction of it went away. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] finnie@lemmy.world -25 points 2 years ago (2 children) Then you agree that they're not going to sell? What does being the largest single market have to do with this? Fucking make a point, dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Calm the fuck down dude, jesus christ. Go touch grass permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Still not a point 👍 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Build your own inferences off of what someone has said. Chasing them down for clarity or elaboration wastes words. Just fill in your best guess, mention it, and move on. They can correct if they suddenly care. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Bruh have a beer and calm tf down permalink fedilink source parent
[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Calm the fuck down dude, jesus christ. Go touch grass permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Still not a point 👍 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Build your own inferences off of what someone has said. Chasing them down for clarity or elaboration wastes words. Just fill in your best guess, mention it, and move on. They can correct if they suddenly care. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] finnie@lemmy.world -24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Still not a point 👍 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Build your own inferences off of what someone has said. Chasing them down for clarity or elaboration wastes words. Just fill in your best guess, mention it, and move on. They can correct if they suddenly care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Build your own inferences off of what someone has said. Chasing them down for clarity or elaboration wastes words. Just fill in your best guess, mention it, and move on. They can correct if they suddenly care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Bruh have a beer and calm tf down permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do you have a source for that? This seems to claim the most users are from the U.S. China doesn't use the same product. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1299807/number-of-monthly-unique-tiktok-users/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Your source is fine 👍 Yours says that ~90% of their users are not from the US. Despite the US being Tiktoks largest single-country user base they still only make up a sliver of their monthly-active users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just over 4% of the worlds population is making up 10% of the usage. I suppose the owners shouldn't care about that sliver of the users. They should care more about the smaller slivers, got it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Tiktok is one of the largest social media apps on earth, they're not selling it over a sliver. Why does it matter how much bigger the sliver is than the other ones? Are you stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hamid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Me too permalink fedilink source parent
[+] finnie@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Your source is fine 👍 Yours says that ~90% of their users are not from the US. Despite the US being Tiktoks largest single-country user base they still only make up a sliver of their monthly-active users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just over 4% of the worlds population is making up 10% of the usage. I suppose the owners shouldn't care about that sliver of the users. They should care more about the smaller slivers, got it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Tiktok is one of the largest social media apps on earth, they're not selling it over a sliver. Why does it matter how much bigger the sliver is than the other ones? Are you stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hamid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Me too permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just over 4% of the worlds population is making up 10% of the usage. I suppose the owners shouldn't care about that sliver of the users. They should care more about the smaller slivers, got it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] finnie@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Tiktok is one of the largest social media apps on earth, they're not selling it over a sliver. Why does it matter how much bigger the sliver is than the other ones? Are you stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hamid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Me too permalink fedilink source parent
[+] finnie@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Tiktok is one of the largest social media apps on earth, they're not selling it over a sliver. Why does it matter how much bigger the sliver is than the other ones? Are you stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hamid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Me too permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hamid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Me too permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 7 points 2 years ago "TikTok" is an American Company. Their owners, ByteDance, also own a nearly identical product in china called 抖音 (Douyin). The Chinese version is much more closely operated by the military, their offices are literally military owned buildings and lots. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] S_204@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago How much of their ad revenue comes from America though? permalink fedilink source parent