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[–] 71 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Yeah, Proton is awesome, that's for sure. Now, being a "security and privacy" company, it blows my mind that they put so much effort on making apps for Windows and Mac first, leaving Linux behind, and when they finally get to it, they just dump in a glorified PWA. This world is really weird 🤣🤣

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    And that they decided to go with RPM and DEB instead of just doing a Flatpak

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I prefer rpm over flatpak. at least I know any os dependency updates are happening regularly, flatpak may not get weekly dependency updates from proton

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Its kinda annoying for anyone not on debian or fedora (and derivatives) though.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I'm on OpenSuse which will take a Fedora RPM, and most will take deb, if they don't you can uae the alien tool to convert it for your OS...extra steps which sucks

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    OpenSUSE does not have Fedoras ABI or package names. The RPMs aren’t compatible.

    This one might work as its just Electron.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    it blows my mind that they put so much effort on making apps for Windows and Mac first, leaving Linux behind

    Because most people use Windows and Mac, including their clients. It's not the world that is weird, it's people who don't understand such basic things. You don't focus on 5% of your users.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's a native app on Windows and Mac?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I don't use either OS, but the apps are .DMG (Mac) and .exe (Windows), so I believe they are, yes.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Are you confusing security and privacy?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They mutually imply one another.

    If something was private, but not secure, well, that implies there are ways to breach the privacy, which isn't very private at all.

    If it's secure, but not private, that implies it's readable by someone other than the consenting conversational parties, which makes it insecure.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Privacy: I have blinds on my windows. I control whether they are open or closed, but they aren't secure. You could break a window and look inside if you really wanted to.

    Security: my glass storm door has a lock. But privacy is only there when I close the front door.

    There is overlap between these two concepts but one does not imply the other.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Companies have to comply with law enforcement. If anything, the little amount of data they were able to give after being forced is a good proof of their overall claim. If there is someone to blame here are courts using antiterrorism laws to catch environmental activists.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I mean, if you want secure/private communication, email should not be your go-to. It's a horrible platform by today's standards. It was never designed to have any serious level of security. Once they have an unencrypted email on the target with timestamps and mail headers, all they need to do is see who was communicating with Proton at that point. I don't know if anything has changed since the PRISM days, but back in the 2000s, they definitely had that level of insight into the web.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago

    Not much has changed. It's really only secure if you are sending emails between addresses within the same local network like gmail to gmail. Thankfull with end to end encryption it can be pretty safe just good luck finding someone that knows how to use it. but thankfully proton makes that pretty seamless.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    That's why I put "security and privacy" between quotes. I have absolutely Jo way to confirm if they are secure and private or if they're not, other than all the contradicting mentions all over the internet. Also, while security and privacy may not be mutually dependent in the physical world, it stands to reason that something insecure cannot be private, and something not private is inherently insecure, as @pixelscript@lemmy.ml clearly pointed out. As for controlling my own email infrastructure, I'd love to, as everything else I do self-host, and only with FOSS software. However, email hosting is a seriously complicated animal that requires too much effort and maintenance, and most of us dont have the knowledge and time to invest in that, so compromises need to be made. I am well aware that there's always risk on using something I have no real control over, but the alternative meets the reason for the phrase "the treatment is worse than the decease".

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