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[–] 36 points 3 years ago (4 children)

When "just start your own business" is presented as a real viable alternative to a job with someone else, they are saying it's easy. There's nothing easy about it. And they don't tell you very important things like the tax penalty you have to pay if you don't file quarterly.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Life is not naturally easy- it is only because of the labor of others that life is anywhere near as comfortable as it is now.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    We have the means to make a fair and equitable society with minimal crime and no hunger. We, as a society, choose not to. We choose the hard life for the sake of getting everything we worked for to ourselves at the risk of losing it all with one bad day. That's not comfortable. The labour of all should benefit all so that everyone can have an easy and comfortable life.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    What do you mean by "we chaosem the hard life"? What do you think should be done to achive easy life for everyone?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    We choose to continue to live in a pro-capitalist society, therefore we choose the hard life. Pure and true socialism is the easy way out my friend. Comfort for all.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    life can be easy for everyone if we all chip in a little, it's the whole basis of society, we just can't afford the hoarding aristocracy

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Serious question: do you think the "aristocracy" has like, vaults full of money? Like you think Jeff Bezos has billions of dollars sitting in his bank account? Or a literal vault?

    Because that is definitely not how rich people actually live. As a rule, they have very little liquidity as a percent of their net worth.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    What does that have to do with anything? Just because the wealth is on paper doesn't make it any less real.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    It matters because people suggest that Bezos et al "hoard wealth" which is both untrue and impossible with the way their wealth is calculated.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    But they are totally hoarding their on paper wealth. It's impossible to end up with $200 billion without intentionally hoarding it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    That's not true at all. Bezos, for instance, is worth so much solely because Amazon is worth so much. It has nothing to do with his personal spending habits whatsoever.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Bezos is the CEO of Amazon, he can definitely take some of the credit/blame that it's worth so much and that he has such a large stake. He could cash out at any point, but he chooses not to, aka hoarding.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    ... what exactly do you think would happen to Amazon's stock value if Bezos cashed out?

    And how exactly is owning a company "hoarding"

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    It would drop a bit, depending on how he handled the PR. Anyway, then he could donate 99.99% of his wealth and still have far more than any of us will ever have in our lives. But he doesn't, because he's hoarding it.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I mean, it definitely is an alternative, but it's not easy at all

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    Dude, stop. They don't want to run a business, they want a guarantee of security, and by rights they are entitled to that. If you don't agree, that's your problem, but don't come up on here thinking their complaints are a threat to your society thinking you have to change their way of thinking to quell it.

    We're abandoning you whether you like it or not :P

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Jesse wtf are you talking about?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    You're defending a shitty evil economic system by defending the notion of small business as a meaningful alternative to work while ignoring the motivations of who you're talking to. Doing that belies your motivations: you see him complaining as a threat to capitalism which you support, which is why you're trying to convince him in the first place.

    I am telling you we're going to abandon capitalism whether you like it or not, shutting down your primary goal of convincing people not to complain. I'm telling you emphatically we're going to do a lot more than complain.

    It's that simple

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    No one is abandoning capitalism lol

    Shit, formerly-communist countries embraced capitalism to have any sort of economy at all.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    The western world starting with millennials is, and you can see it everywhere. The system is collapsing under its own weight due to regulatory capture, climate collapse, and the destabilization of the U.S. And if that isn't enough, I'll likely do it my own damn self with my own life plans and goals.

    No one wants your shitty dystopian hellscape. Take it and shove it.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago*

    This is a false dichotomy where the only options are capitalism and communism. In reality, there are other alternatives such as economic democracy that preserve markets but change the property relations of work

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  • [–] -4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Go live in North Korea, no one is stopping you.

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  • [+] -9 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    It sounds great, but I forget the part where I asked for your opinion

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago*

    you did by publicly posting it on a fucking forum where people are meant to engage in each other dumb ass lol. No wonder it seems you aint too bright. Youre just like the fucking idiots on facebook who post inflammatory comments then get pissed when people respond to them.

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