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[β] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Nobody said it's easy to be independent. Stability is definitely not guaranteed when you have a small business permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 36 points 3 years ago (4 children) When "just start your own business" is presented as a real viable alternative to a job with someone else, they are saying it's easy. There's nothing easy about it. And they don't tell you very important things like the tax penalty you have to pay if you don't file quarterly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] aidan@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) Life is not naturally easy- it is only because of the labor of others that life is anywhere near as comfortable as it is now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) We have the means to make a fair and equitable society with minimal crime and no hunger. We, as a society, choose not to. We choose the hard life for the sake of getting everything we worked for to ourselves at the risk of losing it all with one bad day. That's not comfortable. The labour of all should benefit all so that everyone can have an easy and comfortable life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] placq@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What do you mean by "we chaosem the hard life"? What do you think should be done to achive easy life for everyone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) We choose to continue to live in a pro-capitalist society, therefore we choose the hard life. Pure and true socialism is the easy way out my friend. Comfort for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] placq@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But how? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago More taxes ( mostly corporate) and not have the government misappropriate the funds, and giving a shit about other humans is a great start. permalink fedilink source parent [β] orrk@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) life can be easy for everyone if we all chip in a little, it's the whole basis of society, we just can't afford the hoarding aristocracy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Serious question: do you think the "aristocracy" has like, vaults full of money? Like you think Jeff Bezos has billions of dollars sitting in his bank account? Or a literal vault? Because that is definitely not how rich people actually live. As a rule, they have very little liquidity as a percent of their net worth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) What does that have to do with anything? Just because the wealth is on paper doesn't make it any less real. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It matters because people suggest that Bezos et al "hoard wealth" which is both untrue and impossible with the way their wealth is calculated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they are totally hoarding their on paper wealth. It's impossible to end up with $200 billion without intentionally hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That's not true at all. Bezos, for instance, is worth so much solely because Amazon is worth so much. It has nothing to do with his personal spending habits whatsoever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Bezos is the CEO of Amazon, he can definitely take some of the credit/blame that it's worth so much and that he has such a large stake. He could cash out at any point, but he chooses not to, aka hoarding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) ... what exactly do you think would happen to Amazon's stock value if Bezos cashed out? And how exactly is owning a company "hoarding" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It would drop a bit, depending on how he handled the PR. Anyway, then he could donate 99.99% of his wealth and still have far more than any of us will ever have in our lives. But he doesn't, because he's hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago Dude there's nothing else to say but you literally do not know how wealth actually works permalink fedilink source parent [β] Aux@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago Starting a business is very easy. Much easier than searching for a job. Sustaining your business is a different matter. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean, it definitely is an alternative, but it's not easy at all permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (2 children) Dude, stop. They don't want to run a business, they want a guarantee of security, and by rights they are entitled to that. If you don't agree, that's your problem, but don't come up on here thinking their complaints are a threat to your society thinking you have to change their way of thinking to quell it. We're abandoning you whether you like it or not :P permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (2 children) Jesse wtf are you talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (4 children) You're defending a shitty evil economic system by defending the notion of small business as a meaningful alternative to work while ignoring the motivations of who you're talking to. Doing that belies your motivations: you see him complaining as a threat to capitalism which you support, which is why you're trying to convince him in the first place. I am telling you we're going to abandon capitalism whether you like it or not, shutting down your primary goal of convincing people not to complain. I'm telling you emphatically we're going to do a lot more than complain. It's that simple permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Willer@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago wym hes just trying to cook permalink fedilink source parent [β] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) No one is abandoning capitalism lol Shit, formerly-communist countries embraced capitalism to have any sort of economy at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) The western world starting with millennials is, and you can see it everywhere. The system is collapsing under its own weight due to regulatory capture, climate collapse, and the destabilization of the U.S. And if that isn't enough, I'll likely do it my own damn self with my own life plans and goals. No one wants your shitty dystopian hellscape. Take it and shove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago It really isn't. And I really doubt you will permalink fedilink source parent [β] jlou@mastodon.social 0 points 3 years ago* This is a false dichotomy where the only options are capitalism and communism. In reality, there are other alternatives such as economic democracy that preserve markets but change the property relations of work permalink fedilink source parent [β] Aux@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Go live in North Korea, no one is stopping you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Go back to Stalingrad with the rest of the right-wing traitors, nothing is stopping you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Wut? You insane or something? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world -9 points 3 years ago (2 children) It sounds great, but I forget the part where I asked for your opinion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago I forget the part where I need your permission to give it permalink fedilink source parent [β] Redditiscancer789@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* you did by publicly posting it on a fucking forum where people are meant to engage in each other dumb ass lol. No wonder it seems you aint too bright. Youre just like the fucking idiots on facebook who post inflammatory comments then get pissed when people respond to them. permalink fedilink source parent [β] CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Dude is high on groupthink. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Kind of ironic permalink fedilink source parent [β] Willer@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago There is no financial security. Anyone of you, even higher paid people, could go homeless any second and there is nothing you can do about it. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago And they donβt tell you very important things like the tax penalty you have to pay if you donβt file quarterly. Meh, you find out about that the first year and honestly in the US, it's not that much. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 36 points 3 years ago (4 children) When "just start your own business" is presented as a real viable alternative to a job with someone else, they are saying it's easy. There's nothing easy about it. And they don't tell you very important things like the tax penalty you have to pay if you don't file quarterly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] aidan@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) Life is not naturally easy- it is only because of the labor of others that life is anywhere near as comfortable as it is now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) We have the means to make a fair and equitable society with minimal crime and no hunger. We, as a society, choose not to. We choose the hard life for the sake of getting everything we worked for to ourselves at the risk of losing it all with one bad day. That's not comfortable. The labour of all should benefit all so that everyone can have an easy and comfortable life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] placq@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What do you mean by "we chaosem the hard life"? What do you think should be done to achive easy life for everyone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) We choose to continue to live in a pro-capitalist society, therefore we choose the hard life. Pure and true socialism is the easy way out my friend. Comfort for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] placq@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But how? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago More taxes ( mostly corporate) and not have the government misappropriate the funds, and giving a shit about other humans is a great start. permalink fedilink source parent [β] orrk@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) life can be easy for everyone if we all chip in a little, it's the whole basis of society, we just can't afford the hoarding aristocracy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Serious question: do you think the "aristocracy" has like, vaults full of money? Like you think Jeff Bezos has billions of dollars sitting in his bank account? Or a literal vault? Because that is definitely not how rich people actually live. As a rule, they have very little liquidity as a percent of their net worth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) What does that have to do with anything? Just because the wealth is on paper doesn't make it any less real. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It matters because people suggest that Bezos et al "hoard wealth" which is both untrue and impossible with the way their wealth is calculated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they are totally hoarding their on paper wealth. It's impossible to end up with $200 billion without intentionally hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That's not true at all. Bezos, for instance, is worth so much solely because Amazon is worth so much. It has nothing to do with his personal spending habits whatsoever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Bezos is the CEO of Amazon, he can definitely take some of the credit/blame that it's worth so much and that he has such a large stake. He could cash out at any point, but he chooses not to, aka hoarding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) ... what exactly do you think would happen to Amazon's stock value if Bezos cashed out? And how exactly is owning a company "hoarding" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It would drop a bit, depending on how he handled the PR. Anyway, then he could donate 99.99% of his wealth and still have far more than any of us will ever have in our lives. But he doesn't, because he's hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago Dude there's nothing else to say but you literally do not know how wealth actually works permalink fedilink source parent [β] Aux@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago Starting a business is very easy. Much easier than searching for a job. Sustaining your business is a different matter. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean, it definitely is an alternative, but it's not easy at all permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (2 children) Dude, stop. They don't want to run a business, they want a guarantee of security, and by rights they are entitled to that. If you don't agree, that's your problem, but don't come up on here thinking their complaints are a threat to your society thinking you have to change their way of thinking to quell it. We're abandoning you whether you like it or not :P permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (2 children) Jesse wtf are you talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (4 children) You're defending a shitty evil economic system by defending the notion of small business as a meaningful alternative to work while ignoring the motivations of who you're talking to. Doing that belies your motivations: you see him complaining as a threat to capitalism which you support, which is why you're trying to convince him in the first place. I am telling you we're going to abandon capitalism whether you like it or not, shutting down your primary goal of convincing people not to complain. I'm telling you emphatically we're going to do a lot more than complain. It's that simple permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Willer@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago wym hes just trying to cook permalink fedilink source parent [β] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) No one is abandoning capitalism lol Shit, formerly-communist countries embraced capitalism to have any sort of economy at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) The western world starting with millennials is, and you can see it everywhere. The system is collapsing under its own weight due to regulatory capture, climate collapse, and the destabilization of the U.S. And if that isn't enough, I'll likely do it my own damn self with my own life plans and goals. No one wants your shitty dystopian hellscape. Take it and shove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago It really isn't. And I really doubt you will permalink fedilink source parent [β] jlou@mastodon.social 0 points 3 years ago* This is a false dichotomy where the only options are capitalism and communism. In reality, there are other alternatives such as economic democracy that preserve markets but change the property relations of work permalink fedilink source parent [β] Aux@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Go live in North Korea, no one is stopping you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Go back to Stalingrad with the rest of the right-wing traitors, nothing is stopping you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Wut? You insane or something? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world -9 points 3 years ago (2 children) It sounds great, but I forget the part where I asked for your opinion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago I forget the part where I need your permission to give it permalink fedilink source parent [β] Redditiscancer789@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* you did by publicly posting it on a fucking forum where people are meant to engage in each other dumb ass lol. No wonder it seems you aint too bright. Youre just like the fucking idiots on facebook who post inflammatory comments then get pissed when people respond to them. permalink fedilink source parent [β] CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Dude is high on groupthink. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Kind of ironic permalink fedilink source parent [β] Willer@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago There is no financial security. Anyone of you, even higher paid people, could go homeless any second and there is nothing you can do about it. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago And they donβt tell you very important things like the tax penalty you have to pay if you donβt file quarterly. Meh, you find out about that the first year and honestly in the US, it's not that much. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] aidan@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) Life is not naturally easy- it is only because of the labor of others that life is anywhere near as comfortable as it is now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) We have the means to make a fair and equitable society with minimal crime and no hunger. We, as a society, choose not to. We choose the hard life for the sake of getting everything we worked for to ourselves at the risk of losing it all with one bad day. That's not comfortable. The labour of all should benefit all so that everyone can have an easy and comfortable life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] placq@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What do you mean by "we chaosem the hard life"? What do you think should be done to achive easy life for everyone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) We choose to continue to live in a pro-capitalist society, therefore we choose the hard life. Pure and true socialism is the easy way out my friend. Comfort for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] placq@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But how? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago More taxes ( mostly corporate) and not have the government misappropriate the funds, and giving a shit about other humans is a great start. permalink fedilink source parent [β] orrk@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) life can be easy for everyone if we all chip in a little, it's the whole basis of society, we just can't afford the hoarding aristocracy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Serious question: do you think the "aristocracy" has like, vaults full of money? Like you think Jeff Bezos has billions of dollars sitting in his bank account? Or a literal vault? Because that is definitely not how rich people actually live. As a rule, they have very little liquidity as a percent of their net worth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) What does that have to do with anything? Just because the wealth is on paper doesn't make it any less real. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It matters because people suggest that Bezos et al "hoard wealth" which is both untrue and impossible with the way their wealth is calculated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they are totally hoarding their on paper wealth. It's impossible to end up with $200 billion without intentionally hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That's not true at all. Bezos, for instance, is worth so much solely because Amazon is worth so much. It has nothing to do with his personal spending habits whatsoever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Bezos is the CEO of Amazon, he can definitely take some of the credit/blame that it's worth so much and that he has such a large stake. He could cash out at any point, but he chooses not to, aka hoarding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) ... what exactly do you think would happen to Amazon's stock value if Bezos cashed out? And how exactly is owning a company "hoarding" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It would drop a bit, depending on how he handled the PR. Anyway, then he could donate 99.99% of his wealth and still have far more than any of us will ever have in our lives. But he doesn't, because he's hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago Dude there's nothing else to say but you literally do not know how wealth actually works permalink fedilink source parent
[β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) We have the means to make a fair and equitable society with minimal crime and no hunger. We, as a society, choose not to. We choose the hard life for the sake of getting everything we worked for to ourselves at the risk of losing it all with one bad day. That's not comfortable. The labour of all should benefit all so that everyone can have an easy and comfortable life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] placq@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What do you mean by "we chaosem the hard life"? What do you think should be done to achive easy life for everyone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) We choose to continue to live in a pro-capitalist society, therefore we choose the hard life. Pure and true socialism is the easy way out my friend. Comfort for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] placq@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But how? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago More taxes ( mostly corporate) and not have the government misappropriate the funds, and giving a shit about other humans is a great start. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] placq@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What do you mean by "we chaosem the hard life"? What do you think should be done to achive easy life for everyone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) We choose to continue to live in a pro-capitalist society, therefore we choose the hard life. Pure and true socialism is the easy way out my friend. Comfort for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] placq@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But how? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago More taxes ( mostly corporate) and not have the government misappropriate the funds, and giving a shit about other humans is a great start. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) We choose to continue to live in a pro-capitalist society, therefore we choose the hard life. Pure and true socialism is the easy way out my friend. Comfort for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] placq@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But how? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago More taxes ( mostly corporate) and not have the government misappropriate the funds, and giving a shit about other humans is a great start. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] placq@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But how? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago More taxes ( mostly corporate) and not have the government misappropriate the funds, and giving a shit about other humans is a great start. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago More taxes ( mostly corporate) and not have the government misappropriate the funds, and giving a shit about other humans is a great start. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] orrk@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) life can be easy for everyone if we all chip in a little, it's the whole basis of society, we just can't afford the hoarding aristocracy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Serious question: do you think the "aristocracy" has like, vaults full of money? Like you think Jeff Bezos has billions of dollars sitting in his bank account? Or a literal vault? Because that is definitely not how rich people actually live. As a rule, they have very little liquidity as a percent of their net worth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) What does that have to do with anything? Just because the wealth is on paper doesn't make it any less real. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It matters because people suggest that Bezos et al "hoard wealth" which is both untrue and impossible with the way their wealth is calculated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they are totally hoarding their on paper wealth. It's impossible to end up with $200 billion without intentionally hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That's not true at all. Bezos, for instance, is worth so much solely because Amazon is worth so much. It has nothing to do with his personal spending habits whatsoever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Bezos is the CEO of Amazon, he can definitely take some of the credit/blame that it's worth so much and that he has such a large stake. He could cash out at any point, but he chooses not to, aka hoarding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) ... what exactly do you think would happen to Amazon's stock value if Bezos cashed out? And how exactly is owning a company "hoarding" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It would drop a bit, depending on how he handled the PR. Anyway, then he could donate 99.99% of his wealth and still have far more than any of us will ever have in our lives. But he doesn't, because he's hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago Dude there's nothing else to say but you literally do not know how wealth actually works permalink fedilink source parent
[β] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Serious question: do you think the "aristocracy" has like, vaults full of money? Like you think Jeff Bezos has billions of dollars sitting in his bank account? Or a literal vault? Because that is definitely not how rich people actually live. As a rule, they have very little liquidity as a percent of their net worth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) What does that have to do with anything? Just because the wealth is on paper doesn't make it any less real. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It matters because people suggest that Bezos et al "hoard wealth" which is both untrue and impossible with the way their wealth is calculated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they are totally hoarding their on paper wealth. It's impossible to end up with $200 billion without intentionally hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That's not true at all. Bezos, for instance, is worth so much solely because Amazon is worth so much. It has nothing to do with his personal spending habits whatsoever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Bezos is the CEO of Amazon, he can definitely take some of the credit/blame that it's worth so much and that he has such a large stake. He could cash out at any point, but he chooses not to, aka hoarding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) ... what exactly do you think would happen to Amazon's stock value if Bezos cashed out? And how exactly is owning a company "hoarding" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It would drop a bit, depending on how he handled the PR. Anyway, then he could donate 99.99% of his wealth and still have far more than any of us will ever have in our lives. But he doesn't, because he's hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago Dude there's nothing else to say but you literally do not know how wealth actually works permalink fedilink source parent
[β] biddy@feddit.nl 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) What does that have to do with anything? Just because the wealth is on paper doesn't make it any less real. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It matters because people suggest that Bezos et al "hoard wealth" which is both untrue and impossible with the way their wealth is calculated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they are totally hoarding their on paper wealth. It's impossible to end up with $200 billion without intentionally hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That's not true at all. Bezos, for instance, is worth so much solely because Amazon is worth so much. It has nothing to do with his personal spending habits whatsoever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Bezos is the CEO of Amazon, he can definitely take some of the credit/blame that it's worth so much and that he has such a large stake. He could cash out at any point, but he chooses not to, aka hoarding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) ... what exactly do you think would happen to Amazon's stock value if Bezos cashed out? And how exactly is owning a company "hoarding" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It would drop a bit, depending on how he handled the PR. Anyway, then he could donate 99.99% of his wealth and still have far more than any of us will ever have in our lives. But he doesn't, because he's hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago Dude there's nothing else to say but you literally do not know how wealth actually works permalink fedilink source parent
[β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It matters because people suggest that Bezos et al "hoard wealth" which is both untrue and impossible with the way their wealth is calculated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they are totally hoarding their on paper wealth. It's impossible to end up with $200 billion without intentionally hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That's not true at all. Bezos, for instance, is worth so much solely because Amazon is worth so much. It has nothing to do with his personal spending habits whatsoever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Bezos is the CEO of Amazon, he can definitely take some of the credit/blame that it's worth so much and that he has such a large stake. He could cash out at any point, but he chooses not to, aka hoarding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) ... what exactly do you think would happen to Amazon's stock value if Bezos cashed out? And how exactly is owning a company "hoarding" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It would drop a bit, depending on how he handled the PR. Anyway, then he could donate 99.99% of his wealth and still have far more than any of us will ever have in our lives. But he doesn't, because he's hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago Dude there's nothing else to say but you literally do not know how wealth actually works permalink fedilink source parent
[β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they are totally hoarding their on paper wealth. It's impossible to end up with $200 billion without intentionally hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That's not true at all. Bezos, for instance, is worth so much solely because Amazon is worth so much. It has nothing to do with his personal spending habits whatsoever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Bezos is the CEO of Amazon, he can definitely take some of the credit/blame that it's worth so much and that he has such a large stake. He could cash out at any point, but he chooses not to, aka hoarding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) ... what exactly do you think would happen to Amazon's stock value if Bezos cashed out? And how exactly is owning a company "hoarding" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It would drop a bit, depending on how he handled the PR. Anyway, then he could donate 99.99% of his wealth and still have far more than any of us will ever have in our lives. But he doesn't, because he's hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago Dude there's nothing else to say but you literally do not know how wealth actually works permalink fedilink source parent
[β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That's not true at all. Bezos, for instance, is worth so much solely because Amazon is worth so much. It has nothing to do with his personal spending habits whatsoever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Bezos is the CEO of Amazon, he can definitely take some of the credit/blame that it's worth so much and that he has such a large stake. He could cash out at any point, but he chooses not to, aka hoarding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) ... what exactly do you think would happen to Amazon's stock value if Bezos cashed out? And how exactly is owning a company "hoarding" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It would drop a bit, depending on how he handled the PR. Anyway, then he could donate 99.99% of his wealth and still have far more than any of us will ever have in our lives. But he doesn't, because he's hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago Dude there's nothing else to say but you literally do not know how wealth actually works permalink fedilink source parent
[β] biddy@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Bezos is the CEO of Amazon, he can definitely take some of the credit/blame that it's worth so much and that he has such a large stake. He could cash out at any point, but he chooses not to, aka hoarding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) ... what exactly do you think would happen to Amazon's stock value if Bezos cashed out? And how exactly is owning a company "hoarding" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It would drop a bit, depending on how he handled the PR. Anyway, then he could donate 99.99% of his wealth and still have far more than any of us will ever have in our lives. But he doesn't, because he's hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago Dude there's nothing else to say but you literally do not know how wealth actually works permalink fedilink source parent
[β] SCB@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) ... what exactly do you think would happen to Amazon's stock value if Bezos cashed out? And how exactly is owning a company "hoarding" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] biddy@feddit.nl 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It would drop a bit, depending on how he handled the PR. Anyway, then he could donate 99.99% of his wealth and still have far more than any of us will ever have in our lives. But he doesn't, because he's hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago Dude there's nothing else to say but you literally do not know how wealth actually works permalink fedilink source parent
[β] biddy@feddit.nl 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It would drop a bit, depending on how he handled the PR. Anyway, then he could donate 99.99% of his wealth and still have far more than any of us will ever have in our lives. But he doesn't, because he's hoarding it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago Dude there's nothing else to say but you literally do not know how wealth actually works permalink fedilink source parent
[β] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago Dude there's nothing else to say but you literally do not know how wealth actually works permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Aux@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago Starting a business is very easy. Much easier than searching for a job. Sustaining your business is a different matter. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean, it definitely is an alternative, but it's not easy at all permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (2 children) Dude, stop. They don't want to run a business, they want a guarantee of security, and by rights they are entitled to that. If you don't agree, that's your problem, but don't come up on here thinking their complaints are a threat to your society thinking you have to change their way of thinking to quell it. We're abandoning you whether you like it or not :P permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (2 children) Jesse wtf are you talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (4 children) You're defending a shitty evil economic system by defending the notion of small business as a meaningful alternative to work while ignoring the motivations of who you're talking to. Doing that belies your motivations: you see him complaining as a threat to capitalism which you support, which is why you're trying to convince him in the first place. I am telling you we're going to abandon capitalism whether you like it or not, shutting down your primary goal of convincing people not to complain. I'm telling you emphatically we're going to do a lot more than complain. It's that simple permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Willer@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago wym hes just trying to cook permalink fedilink source parent [β] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) No one is abandoning capitalism lol Shit, formerly-communist countries embraced capitalism to have any sort of economy at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) The western world starting with millennials is, and you can see it everywhere. The system is collapsing under its own weight due to regulatory capture, climate collapse, and the destabilization of the U.S. And if that isn't enough, I'll likely do it my own damn self with my own life plans and goals. No one wants your shitty dystopian hellscape. Take it and shove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago It really isn't. And I really doubt you will permalink fedilink source parent [β] jlou@mastodon.social 0 points 3 years ago* This is a false dichotomy where the only options are capitalism and communism. In reality, there are other alternatives such as economic democracy that preserve markets but change the property relations of work permalink fedilink source parent [β] Aux@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Go live in North Korea, no one is stopping you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Go back to Stalingrad with the rest of the right-wing traitors, nothing is stopping you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Wut? You insane or something? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world -9 points 3 years ago (2 children) It sounds great, but I forget the part where I asked for your opinion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago I forget the part where I need your permission to give it permalink fedilink source parent [β] Redditiscancer789@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* you did by publicly posting it on a fucking forum where people are meant to engage in each other dumb ass lol. No wonder it seems you aint too bright. Youre just like the fucking idiots on facebook who post inflammatory comments then get pissed when people respond to them. permalink fedilink source parent [β] CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Dude is high on groupthink. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Kind of ironic permalink fedilink source parent [β] Willer@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago There is no financial security. Anyone of you, even higher paid people, could go homeless any second and there is nothing you can do about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (2 children) Dude, stop. They don't want to run a business, they want a guarantee of security, and by rights they are entitled to that. If you don't agree, that's your problem, but don't come up on here thinking their complaints are a threat to your society thinking you have to change their way of thinking to quell it. We're abandoning you whether you like it or not :P permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (2 children) Jesse wtf are you talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (4 children) You're defending a shitty evil economic system by defending the notion of small business as a meaningful alternative to work while ignoring the motivations of who you're talking to. Doing that belies your motivations: you see him complaining as a threat to capitalism which you support, which is why you're trying to convince him in the first place. I am telling you we're going to abandon capitalism whether you like it or not, shutting down your primary goal of convincing people not to complain. I'm telling you emphatically we're going to do a lot more than complain. It's that simple permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Willer@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago wym hes just trying to cook permalink fedilink source parent [β] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) No one is abandoning capitalism lol Shit, formerly-communist countries embraced capitalism to have any sort of economy at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) The western world starting with millennials is, and you can see it everywhere. The system is collapsing under its own weight due to regulatory capture, climate collapse, and the destabilization of the U.S. And if that isn't enough, I'll likely do it my own damn self with my own life plans and goals. No one wants your shitty dystopian hellscape. Take it and shove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago It really isn't. And I really doubt you will permalink fedilink source parent [β] jlou@mastodon.social 0 points 3 years ago* This is a false dichotomy where the only options are capitalism and communism. In reality, there are other alternatives such as economic democracy that preserve markets but change the property relations of work permalink fedilink source parent [β] Aux@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Go live in North Korea, no one is stopping you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Go back to Stalingrad with the rest of the right-wing traitors, nothing is stopping you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Wut? You insane or something? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world -9 points 3 years ago (2 children) It sounds great, but I forget the part where I asked for your opinion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago I forget the part where I need your permission to give it permalink fedilink source parent [β] Redditiscancer789@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* you did by publicly posting it on a fucking forum where people are meant to engage in each other dumb ass lol. No wonder it seems you aint too bright. Youre just like the fucking idiots on facebook who post inflammatory comments then get pissed when people respond to them. permalink fedilink source parent [β] CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Dude is high on groupthink. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Kind of ironic permalink fedilink source parent [β] Willer@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago There is no financial security. Anyone of you, even higher paid people, could go homeless any second and there is nothing you can do about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (2 children) Jesse wtf are you talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (4 children) You're defending a shitty evil economic system by defending the notion of small business as a meaningful alternative to work while ignoring the motivations of who you're talking to. Doing that belies your motivations: you see him complaining as a threat to capitalism which you support, which is why you're trying to convince him in the first place. I am telling you we're going to abandon capitalism whether you like it or not, shutting down your primary goal of convincing people not to complain. I'm telling you emphatically we're going to do a lot more than complain. It's that simple permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Willer@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago wym hes just trying to cook permalink fedilink source parent [β] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) No one is abandoning capitalism lol Shit, formerly-communist countries embraced capitalism to have any sort of economy at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) The western world starting with millennials is, and you can see it everywhere. The system is collapsing under its own weight due to regulatory capture, climate collapse, and the destabilization of the U.S. And if that isn't enough, I'll likely do it my own damn self with my own life plans and goals. No one wants your shitty dystopian hellscape. Take it and shove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago It really isn't. And I really doubt you will permalink fedilink source parent [β] jlou@mastodon.social 0 points 3 years ago* This is a false dichotomy where the only options are capitalism and communism. In reality, there are other alternatives such as economic democracy that preserve markets but change the property relations of work permalink fedilink source parent [β] Aux@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Go live in North Korea, no one is stopping you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Go back to Stalingrad with the rest of the right-wing traitors, nothing is stopping you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Wut? You insane or something? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world -9 points 3 years ago (2 children) It sounds great, but I forget the part where I asked for your opinion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago I forget the part where I need your permission to give it permalink fedilink source parent [β] Redditiscancer789@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* you did by publicly posting it on a fucking forum where people are meant to engage in each other dumb ass lol. No wonder it seems you aint too bright. Youre just like the fucking idiots on facebook who post inflammatory comments then get pissed when people respond to them. permalink fedilink source parent [β] CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Dude is high on groupthink. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Kind of ironic permalink fedilink source parent
[β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (4 children) You're defending a shitty evil economic system by defending the notion of small business as a meaningful alternative to work while ignoring the motivations of who you're talking to. Doing that belies your motivations: you see him complaining as a threat to capitalism which you support, which is why you're trying to convince him in the first place. I am telling you we're going to abandon capitalism whether you like it or not, shutting down your primary goal of convincing people not to complain. I'm telling you emphatically we're going to do a lot more than complain. It's that simple permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Willer@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago wym hes just trying to cook permalink fedilink source parent [β] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) No one is abandoning capitalism lol Shit, formerly-communist countries embraced capitalism to have any sort of economy at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) The western world starting with millennials is, and you can see it everywhere. The system is collapsing under its own weight due to regulatory capture, climate collapse, and the destabilization of the U.S. And if that isn't enough, I'll likely do it my own damn self with my own life plans and goals. No one wants your shitty dystopian hellscape. Take it and shove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago It really isn't. And I really doubt you will permalink fedilink source parent [β] jlou@mastodon.social 0 points 3 years ago* This is a false dichotomy where the only options are capitalism and communism. In reality, there are other alternatives such as economic democracy that preserve markets but change the property relations of work permalink fedilink source parent [β] Aux@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Go live in North Korea, no one is stopping you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Go back to Stalingrad with the rest of the right-wing traitors, nothing is stopping you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Wut? You insane or something? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world -9 points 3 years ago (2 children) It sounds great, but I forget the part where I asked for your opinion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago I forget the part where I need your permission to give it permalink fedilink source parent [β] Redditiscancer789@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* you did by publicly posting it on a fucking forum where people are meant to engage in each other dumb ass lol. No wonder it seems you aint too bright. Youre just like the fucking idiots on facebook who post inflammatory comments then get pissed when people respond to them. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Willer@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago wym hes just trying to cook permalink fedilink source parent
[β] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) No one is abandoning capitalism lol Shit, formerly-communist countries embraced capitalism to have any sort of economy at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) The western world starting with millennials is, and you can see it everywhere. The system is collapsing under its own weight due to regulatory capture, climate collapse, and the destabilization of the U.S. And if that isn't enough, I'll likely do it my own damn self with my own life plans and goals. No one wants your shitty dystopian hellscape. Take it and shove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago It really isn't. And I really doubt you will permalink fedilink source parent [β] jlou@mastodon.social 0 points 3 years ago* This is a false dichotomy where the only options are capitalism and communism. In reality, there are other alternatives such as economic democracy that preserve markets but change the property relations of work permalink fedilink source parent
[β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) The western world starting with millennials is, and you can see it everywhere. The system is collapsing under its own weight due to regulatory capture, climate collapse, and the destabilization of the U.S. And if that isn't enough, I'll likely do it my own damn self with my own life plans and goals. No one wants your shitty dystopian hellscape. Take it and shove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago It really isn't. And I really doubt you will permalink fedilink source parent
[β] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago It really isn't. And I really doubt you will permalink fedilink source parent
[β] jlou@mastodon.social 0 points 3 years ago* This is a false dichotomy where the only options are capitalism and communism. In reality, there are other alternatives such as economic democracy that preserve markets but change the property relations of work permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Aux@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Go live in North Korea, no one is stopping you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Go back to Stalingrad with the rest of the right-wing traitors, nothing is stopping you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Wut? You insane or something? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Go back to Stalingrad with the rest of the right-wing traitors, nothing is stopping you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Wut? You insane or something? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Wut? You insane or something? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world -9 points 3 years ago (2 children) It sounds great, but I forget the part where I asked for your opinion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago I forget the part where I need your permission to give it permalink fedilink source parent [β] Redditiscancer789@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* you did by publicly posting it on a fucking forum where people are meant to engage in each other dumb ass lol. No wonder it seems you aint too bright. Youre just like the fucking idiots on facebook who post inflammatory comments then get pissed when people respond to them. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago I forget the part where I need your permission to give it permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Redditiscancer789@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* you did by publicly posting it on a fucking forum where people are meant to engage in each other dumb ass lol. No wonder it seems you aint too bright. Youre just like the fucking idiots on facebook who post inflammatory comments then get pissed when people respond to them. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Dude is high on groupthink. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Kind of ironic permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Kind of ironic permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Willer@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago There is no financial security. Anyone of you, even higher paid people, could go homeless any second and there is nothing you can do about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago And they donβt tell you very important things like the tax penalty you have to pay if you donβt file quarterly. Meh, you find out about that the first year and honestly in the US, it's not that much. permalink fedilink source parent
