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[–] 7u5k3n@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Idk man.. I feel like if I pay ~$40 for a digital item.. I should have the same rights with it as the physical copy.
If a digital market place sells me the item... I should be able to return to that market place and redownload it. Basically once they sell it.. they are obligated to host the files.

Or as an alternative ... I get 1 download of a drm free product. And everything after that is rebuy.

This sell it for $40 and then it's gone off your game system or out of your account I think is shit business practice.

Streaming services can do what they want with their content.. because you're paying x money a month to access it.. that's the assumed behavior. Digital products advertised as "buy it on digital" should behave as items purchased and owned by the end user.

Maybe that's just me being pro consumer...

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[–] Malfeasant@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I feel like if I pay ~$40 for a digital item.. I should have the same rights with it as the physical copy.

That's the whole problem - you don't. Your feelings are irrelevant. If you want that, you need to demand it, and refuse to do business with those who will not provide it. Of course they won't, so just stop buying digital copies, keep physical media alive.

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[–] 7u5k3n@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

so just stop buying digital copies, keep physical media alive.

That's the only way forward honestly.

We have to return to physical media. Tho I fear it's too late.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

If you want the same rights then buy a DRM free version.

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[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Good luck finding one

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

If you can't find one then skip the game or accept the fact that you might lose access to it. That's the way the creator decided their game would be distributed, if you disagree you're treating them as slaves by getting the fruit of their labour without compensating them and without their agreement.

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[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

That’s the way the creator decided their game would be distributed

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

If you disagree with the original terms, i.e. the game is available on a platform with DRM, then just don't get it and completion to the devs. Our pirate it but don't pretend that you're morally right to do it.

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[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Nah. DRM in its current version is morally wrong. Circumventing it is perfectly fine. It's essentially an industry wide price collusion, which I'll note is illegal, but will never be broken up because the US antitrust agencies have been hollowed out to nothing.

In the same vein, if an employer refuses to pay you for time worked, your chances of recovering that pay is slim. In that circumstance, I would say taking the amount you are owed from the till is perfectly fine, morally. You would probably disagree, because you're a boot licker and believe that whatever the law says is morally good. I understand the concept in abstract, but I will fundamentally never be able to put myself in the head space of someone like you.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

Dude, in this example you're the employer stealing from the worker!

The only thing wrong here is people that are unable to admit that what they're doing has consequences on the people who created the media they're pirating and using mental gymnastic like I've never seen before to justify their choice and to feel morally justified to do it.

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[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Separate example. Ignore everything else we've been talking about. I'm trying to illustrate where you stand on morality.

Would it be wrong to steal from the till?

I suspect you'd say yes, which means we have fundamental, irreconcilable differences in how we view the entire concept of morality. Which then, relating back to piracy, means we will never see eye to eye because we disagree about the most fundamental aspects of the argument.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

It's an irrelevant example in this conversation because you're reversing the roles.

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[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

It's not related to piracy at all, it's just an illustration of your personal views. There are no roles. It's not an analogy.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

Then in this case I would tell you that taking the money from the till also makes you a thief because you're getting an unverified amount of money on which you didn't pay taxes and there are legal means to get the money you're owed.

Laws would agree with me and if you want to live in society then I'm sorry to tell you that it's something we can't do without.

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[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago

Like I thought, we just have entirely different worldviews at an extremely fundamental level. There's no seeing eye to eye because we're approaching it differently.

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[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

there is nothing immoral with letting someone share information with you.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

There is if it's information that's for sale by its creator and what you're doing is copying it therefore keeping them from profiting from their work.

Some people do projects out of passion and let people do what they want with their creations, others create to make a living and by not paying them you're preventing them from doing so.

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[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

they can sell it to anyone who wants to buy it. I am not preventing them at all

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

You're still profiting from their work without compensating them, that's called slavery enter I'm from.

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[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

if someone tells you about the biggest play of the Superbowl, are they enslaving the NFL owners?

get real. sharing stories, songs, tools, and skills is a basic human activity. it's not immoral.

trying to prevent it is immoral.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

You can share stories of when you played a game, it doesn't mean you can copy the game itself so you still have access to it and someone else does too without any compensation going to the creator.

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[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

if someone wants to share a game with me, I am doing nothing wrong by accepting.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago

That logic only works if you ignore the fact that someone had to put work into creating the game.

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[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

there is no profit, the labor isn't forced, it's not slavery

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

Consuming the fruit of someone's labor is "profiting from it"

The labor needs to exist in order for you to have access to the content you're pirating so yes in a way it's forced to exist otherwise this conversation wouldn't happen in the first place as there would be no content to pirate.

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[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

you're making up that definition of profit

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

To profit > to obtain an advantage or benefit

The entertainment you get from the product is a form of profit

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[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

you are stretching the term to meaninglessness

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago

I'm using an official definition of the word

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[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

no one made them produce the game. they could have chosen not to do that, and there would be no consequences at all. it's not slavery.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

Then no one should buy anything until we reach a point where no one produces anything because there's no incentive to.

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[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

this sentence makes me suspect English is not your first language because it makes no sense.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago

How? I mean, by your logic why should people buy anything instead of just copying/stealing it? No one gets hurt if we do so, you said so yourself!

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