▲ 491 ▼ Why is it legal to buy and sell used books/discs but illegal to buy and sell used digital files? (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by _number8_@lemmy.world to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 122 comments fedilink hide all child comments this contradiction always confused me. either way the official company is "losing a sale" and not getting the money, right?
[–] crossmr@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (3 children) if you live in the EU you own your digital purchases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 21 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's kind of not tested though. If you've never been given the option to download it and save it and use it from there, how would you "own" it if the streaming service takes it offline? If you can't transfer ownership of something, or have it past the lifespan of the shop you bought it from, do you really own it? I would say not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not the ownership though, that's a subscription to a service. Ownership is something like buying songs on iTunes not listening to them on Apple music. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can buy individual movies on Amazon without a subscription. This doesn't mean you own it. If they stop hosting it, it's gone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But that is where the difference is, that's not streaming or at least not as the term is used. That was a purchase of a specific title. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago streaming noun a method of transmitting or receiving data (especially video and audio material) over a computer network as a steady, continuous flow, allowing playback to start while the rest of the data is still being received. Whether it's subscribed, "purchased" or free, if you don't have the full file to copy and do what you want with it, it's streaming. permalink fedilink source parent [–] crossmr@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is tested. In court. https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago That's software, and frankly until you can transfer a played game to somebody else in Steam, it's not something that is enforced. They cannot "oppose it" according to that, but you cannot do it. But buying a digital movie from Amazon or Sony? They can take that away. Haven't heard a peep from the EU on it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bouh@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago You do not. Or we have a different definition for owning. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ftbd@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago I'm in the EU. How do I download movies I purchased on Amazon? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 21 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's kind of not tested though. If you've never been given the option to download it and save it and use it from there, how would you "own" it if the streaming service takes it offline? If you can't transfer ownership of something, or have it past the lifespan of the shop you bought it from, do you really own it? I would say not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not the ownership though, that's a subscription to a service. Ownership is something like buying songs on iTunes not listening to them on Apple music. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can buy individual movies on Amazon without a subscription. This doesn't mean you own it. If they stop hosting it, it's gone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But that is where the difference is, that's not streaming or at least not as the term is used. That was a purchase of a specific title. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago streaming noun a method of transmitting or receiving data (especially video and audio material) over a computer network as a steady, continuous flow, allowing playback to start while the rest of the data is still being received. Whether it's subscribed, "purchased" or free, if you don't have the full file to copy and do what you want with it, it's streaming. permalink fedilink source parent [–] crossmr@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is tested. In court. https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago That's software, and frankly until you can transfer a played game to somebody else in Steam, it's not something that is enforced. They cannot "oppose it" according to that, but you cannot do it. But buying a digital movie from Amazon or Sony? They can take that away. Haven't heard a peep from the EU on it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not the ownership though, that's a subscription to a service. Ownership is something like buying songs on iTunes not listening to them on Apple music. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can buy individual movies on Amazon without a subscription. This doesn't mean you own it. If they stop hosting it, it's gone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But that is where the difference is, that's not streaming or at least not as the term is used. That was a purchase of a specific title. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago streaming noun a method of transmitting or receiving data (especially video and audio material) over a computer network as a steady, continuous flow, allowing playback to start while the rest of the data is still being received. Whether it's subscribed, "purchased" or free, if you don't have the full file to copy and do what you want with it, it's streaming. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can buy individual movies on Amazon without a subscription. This doesn't mean you own it. If they stop hosting it, it's gone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But that is where the difference is, that's not streaming or at least not as the term is used. That was a purchase of a specific title. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago streaming noun a method of transmitting or receiving data (especially video and audio material) over a computer network as a steady, continuous flow, allowing playback to start while the rest of the data is still being received. Whether it's subscribed, "purchased" or free, if you don't have the full file to copy and do what you want with it, it's streaming. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But that is where the difference is, that's not streaming or at least not as the term is used. That was a purchase of a specific title. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago streaming noun a method of transmitting or receiving data (especially video and audio material) over a computer network as a steady, continuous flow, allowing playback to start while the rest of the data is still being received. Whether it's subscribed, "purchased" or free, if you don't have the full file to copy and do what you want with it, it's streaming. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago streaming noun a method of transmitting or receiving data (especially video and audio material) over a computer network as a steady, continuous flow, allowing playback to start while the rest of the data is still being received. Whether it's subscribed, "purchased" or free, if you don't have the full file to copy and do what you want with it, it's streaming. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] crossmr@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is tested. In court. https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago That's software, and frankly until you can transfer a played game to somebody else in Steam, it's not something that is enforced. They cannot "oppose it" according to that, but you cannot do it. But buying a digital movie from Amazon or Sony? They can take that away. Haven't heard a peep from the EU on it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago That's software, and frankly until you can transfer a played game to somebody else in Steam, it's not something that is enforced. They cannot "oppose it" according to that, but you cannot do it. But buying a digital movie from Amazon or Sony? They can take that away. Haven't heard a peep from the EU on it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bouh@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago You do not. Or we have a different definition for owning. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ftbd@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago I'm in the EU. How do I download movies I purchased on Amazon? permalink fedilink source parent