Mozilla is unhappy because the use of browser engines other than WebKit will be restricted to the EU, forcing them to develop two different apps.

For an independent browser like Firefox, managing two browsers is not easy, so it can be forgiven that this could be seen as almost harassment.

Also, the fact that the use of browser engines other than WebKit is limited to iOS means that the use of WebKit is still forced on iPadOS, which also increases the effort for Mozilla.

Source: https://iphonewired.com/news/746093/

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What parts aren't compatible? And you can load Linux and Windows on all Mac's. You can also sell your iPhone and buy an android phone with money left over... getting out of the apple closed ecosystem is cheaper than sticking with it.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    For most people, time is not regarded to be free (i.e. not a cost). As a devoted Linux user, the adage that "Linux is only free if you don't value your time" is absolutely true.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)
  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Learning Windows is still a time cost. You're also losing your library of Mac software and quite a few interoperability features between your other Apple products.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    ??? So you're plan is to just say fuck it, and continue to be fucked over by apple? The fuck logic is that? Almost all software has a replacement in windows/Linux. I work in all 3 ecosystems, there is very little that lacks an alternative in each os. Sticking to osx/iOS is just a cop out.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No. My argument is that if Apple isn't going to open up their ecosystem to genuine competition and genuine interoperability then they need to have their hand forced through regulation.

    Telling people to just stop buying Apple products is a lazy, knee-jerk self-righteous response that ignores the realities of platform lock-in.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Good luck with that...I vote with my wallet instead of buying into fad shit.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You seem to think that regulation doesn't work. Luckily, we have a test case set up for us in real-life.

    In the United States, consumers relied on voting with their wallets. In the European Union, regulatory agencies forced Apple to take pro-consumer moves through regulation.

    Now take a look at which approach produced results and which approach left consumers continuing to complain about the lack of interoperability and the lack of competition in Apple's walled garden.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Can’t do that on ARM. Windows on ARM sucks and there isn’t a good app ecosystem.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    There isn't a good app ecosystem for arm on osx either? What's your point?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    You’re incorrect. Tons of apps are native ARM on Mac now, also rosetta2 emulation is really fast. Obviously not as fast as native ARM but it surprised me.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Most might be native but tell me what apps don't have an alternative on x86 and I'll agree with you.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Exclusivity isn’t the point. A healthy app ecosystem is what we’re discussing, which ARM on Mac has. It wasn’t great for 6 months or so, but it’s quite good now.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    ??? No the whole discussion on this has been how people can't get out of the ecosystem. Which I've provided multiple ways to get out of it. There is really zero point to even bring up ARM MacBooks, because as you have said the ecosystem isn't exclusive.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    There isn't a good app ecosystem for arm on osx either? What's your point?

    Did you forget what you said? This is what I’m responding to.

    macOS (not osX for many years now) has a healthy app ecosystem, unlike windows for ARM.

    And you can load Linux and Windows on all Mac's.

    just install windows

    My point is “install Windows” isn’t a valid option for anyone with an ARM Mac, so suggesting it is silly. Mac hasn’t made an x86 computer in a couple years.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago*

    I'm not the parent commenter, but Apple Silicon has much wider app support than ARM on Windows. There's also Rosetta, which works alright, I suppose. Not spectacularly and usually not anywhere near native performance but it's at least okay.

  • source
  • parent
  • [+] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Where did I say refund anything?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    And windows/Android/Linux all have alternatives. This is not an excuse.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [+] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    What media is served by apple only?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    ??? All of that is accessible on both other OS's

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    ??? What's this supposed to be? Shit that's on the app store...also exists in the android store, usually it's a 1 to 1.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    And I've already pointed out that almost all products you buy are not OS specific...the license is for the software not the OS. So you don't have to rebuy, but that seems to be something the fanboys are missing.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Where did I say that you can run ios apps directly on Android or osx dmgs on Windows? I never did, I said they almost always have versions of it that run on different platforms. There is a windows version of Photoshop....so your logic here is that osx version of Photoshop cannot run on Windows...no shit...

  • source
  • parent
  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Gimp for Linux. It's free even.

    On top of that the Photoshop license is not os specific. You can use it for Windows or osx.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ok? And Photoshop license isn't for just osx... you're literally proving the point that you can migrate but you don't want to because of some stupid allegiance to apple

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments