A pirated car would just be a more free way to access the $10k/yr pay wall you live your life behind. Car-dominant infrastructure is vendor lock in.

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[–] 20 points 2 years ago (7 children)

These are things that need a subscription, though... These are remote features that require internet connectivity and application serving. Things that don't just come with a one-time fee. These are actual services being provided by Kia or Hyundai. This isn't the same as putting a hardware feature of your car behind an arbitrary pay wall.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Then I should be able to self-host these softwares.

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  • [+] -12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You wouldn't be able to communicate with the car at a distance though.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    How do car manufacture communicate with these cars?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Then if the manufacture is just communicating with the car using standard internet, what is stopping self-hosted software communicating with the car?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Yeah on second thought it likely has to be satellite or something.

    Otherwise roadside assistance would be shit haha

    What it boils down to is why would a company spend money so a small percentage of tech enthusiasts who buy their cars can use advanced features for free.

    We always forget we're a tiny percentage of any market.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Otherwise roadside assistance would be shit haha

    If I have to guess, I think they are probably on different systems. As roadside assistance pre-dates smart cars, and satellite in general has pretty bad receptions under a roof.

    What it boils down to is why would a company spend money so a small percentage of tech enthusiasts who buy their cars can use advanced features for free.

    Because "laws".

    Of course, there is no way to let corporate do good on its own. Corporates will never respects its user, the environment, and basic consumer rights; if they are left to operate on their own.

    If the EU can force apple to care a little bit about the environment and basic consumer rights, then they probably can let the car companies do the same.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    yeah, i agree. it costs them money so there's little to no incentive to run that stuff for free.
    also the price is reasonable (about as much as a single Nano ec2 instance on aws + mobile plan that's required to connect the car to the internet) and pretty much negligible when compared to amount of money you'll be spending on that vehicle anyway.
    then there are privacy concerns tho. do you trust kia with knowledge of your exact car location, 24/7? (I'd assume it doesn't connect to their servers without the subscription?)
    also that information (Exact location of all kia vehicles, with exact model numbers and registration information) seems like a goldmine for car thieves if leaked (or accessed by a third party.)
    also, fuck heated seat other hardware/local software subscriptions

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    @FlexibleToast @hex_m_hell Yes, but the car you own has all the capability to do the above things, why can't I use the server in my basement to provide the remote components of the services?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The vast majority of people won’t know how to manage a server in their basement. It makes no sense to invest in this capability that will be utilized by an extremely small fraction of car buyers.

    I would very rarely advocate for a subscription service but this one makes as much sense as a mobile phone plan.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I see your point but the costs to most if not all of what they offer are minimal... And for sure most of that could be a single payment when buying the car, calculated an estimated usage during the estimated life of the car, they could just be part of the price of the car not even indicated.

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