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[+] yuunikki@lemmy.world 29 points 3 years ago (21 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 28 child comments replies: [–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 28 points 3 years ago (1 child) Tipping is dumb, but tipping in Trump propaganda 10x dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) 10x asshole move, I’d say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Basically like saying “I think tipping sucks and your boss should be rolling your pay into the meal. So I’m not going to tip you. That said, I’m also going to vote for the party that supports your boss offloading employee pay onto customer tips.” confused_jackie_chan.jpg permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vanontom@geddit.social 1 point 3 years ago* That's way too complicated for them to understand. I'm not joking. We should all be very afraid of their weaponized stupidity. Idiocracy is here. permalink fedilink source parent [+] CafecitoHippo@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] blazera@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) if you're wanting to protest those businesses, you might wanna start with not buying from them in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Not always that easy is it, if you want to go out you have to find a place that advertises their no tipping policy. It's go and don't tip or stay at home or else take part in a shit system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blazera@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) No, see if you go and dont tip, you're still taking part in the shit system, just with a side of hurtin workers. The owners making just as much money and doesnt need to change what he's doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] Cruxifux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago The problem is that not tipping doesn’t punish the people creating the tipping issue, just making the people who are oppressed by it suffer more. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Because it comes from a history of slavery. Pushing it on to you, the customer, to pay the underpaid employee so the boss man doesn't have to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (4 children) Tipping seems to be a cultural thing in the States. Here in the UK we take the Mr. Pink approach to tipping. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) It stopped being a cultural thing decades ago. Now it’s about about companies not paying employees a living wage and America’s right wing constantly blocking legislation that would force employers to pay people enough to have shelter and food. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children) It actually started as an economic thing too, because businesses during the great depression weren't able to consistently pay living wages. Edit: I was wrong, see below permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 years ago It was originally a way to be able to hire black people and not pay them permalink fedilink source parent [–] nocturne213@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago It started much earlier than that and has roots in racism. https://time.com/5404475/history-tipping-american-restaurants-civil-war/ After the Constitution was amended in the wake of the Civil War, slavery was ended as an institution but those who were freed from bondage were still limited in their choices. Many who did not end up sharecropping worked in menial positions, such as servants, waiters, barbers and railroad porters. These were pretty much the only occupations available to them. For restaurant workers and railroad porters, there was a catch: many employers would not actually pay these workers, under the condition that guests would offer a small tip instead. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) During the UK lockdowns, I tipped all the front line workers where I could. That's it. I'm not tipping someone as compensation for doing their job, that's what their employer is for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cynar@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) I tip for exceptional service. If someone goes above and beyond what's required of them, I leave a tip. I also tip if I make their lives more difficult that they should have been. Dealing with our general public, during COVID definitely counts as both. Particularly with the number of people who couldn't figure out how to wear a mask. At the same time, I also didn't go out much during the pandemic, mostly due to the whole pandemic thing going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Have you noticed all take aways have delivery charges in the UK since Covid? I assume it's because few of us have cash about anymore so the drivers aren't getting tipped. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.uk 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Last time I tried to tip a delivery driver im the UK they said they can't take it.. Given we pay for delivery though and it's difficult to see what a driver could do above and beyond that isn't just 'doing their job' that's probably a good thing, provided they're getting a decent amount of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago It's about how fast it got there for me in the past, which I know isn't always in their control, but there needs to be some criteria. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (2 replies) [–] derf82@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (9 children) Disliking tipping is no reason to screw hardworking people over. Tipping is a fact of life, even if you think it’s dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Signtist@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Ultimately, we need to tip people in the short term to keep them afloat until we can work with them in the long term to get America to the standard that most of the rest of the world takes, where tipping is a special case scenario only for exceptionally good work, and never to be needed or expected. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) But it doesn’t have to be if the employers pay how they should permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doug@midwest.social 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) Sure but until they do a lot of those people need tips to get by and it's far from as easy as "just get a different job" Source: used to be one such person permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Iamdanno@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) With unemployment numbers so low right now, this is actually the time to "just get another job". In the USA, at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doug@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Have you tried? What other job do you get when your experience is tipped work? Or do you go to school to take on debt that will set you back for a long time because the education system is shot too. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] ChemicalRascal@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) It really doesn't have to be a "fact of life", and it isn't in many places, such as Australia and England -- nations with very similar degrees of economic prosperity, and very similar cultures, to the USA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derf82@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago People have tried and failed. But my point is, until that time you have to tip. I don’t care for people that don’t tip while arguing they are doing their server a favor. It is a disingenuous attempt to be cheap. A server’s paycheck should not be held hostage to a a war on tipping culture. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Or, employers could pay their workers better. Novel thought, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derf82@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) And you think not tipping your server today, before they get those wages, will make that happen? Sorry, Mr. Pink. Being an asshole to your server does not make you somehow pro-worker. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yes. By not showing up at all. permalink fedilink source parent [+] yuunikki@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (14 replies)
[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 28 points 3 years ago (1 child) Tipping is dumb, but tipping in Trump propaganda 10x dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) 10x asshole move, I’d say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Basically like saying “I think tipping sucks and your boss should be rolling your pay into the meal. So I’m not going to tip you. That said, I’m also going to vote for the party that supports your boss offloading employee pay onto customer tips.” confused_jackie_chan.jpg permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vanontom@geddit.social 1 point 3 years ago* That's way too complicated for them to understand. I'm not joking. We should all be very afraid of their weaponized stupidity. Idiocracy is here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) 10x asshole move, I’d say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Basically like saying “I think tipping sucks and your boss should be rolling your pay into the meal. So I’m not going to tip you. That said, I’m also going to vote for the party that supports your boss offloading employee pay onto customer tips.” confused_jackie_chan.jpg permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vanontom@geddit.social 1 point 3 years ago* That's way too complicated for them to understand. I'm not joking. We should all be very afraid of their weaponized stupidity. Idiocracy is here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Basically like saying “I think tipping sucks and your boss should be rolling your pay into the meal. So I’m not going to tip you. That said, I’m also going to vote for the party that supports your boss offloading employee pay onto customer tips.” confused_jackie_chan.jpg permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vanontom@geddit.social 1 point 3 years ago* That's way too complicated for them to understand. I'm not joking. We should all be very afraid of their weaponized stupidity. Idiocracy is here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vanontom@geddit.social 1 point 3 years ago* That's way too complicated for them to understand. I'm not joking. We should all be very afraid of their weaponized stupidity. Idiocracy is here. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] CafecitoHippo@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blazera@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) if you're wanting to protest those businesses, you might wanna start with not buying from them in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Not always that easy is it, if you want to go out you have to find a place that advertises their no tipping policy. It's go and don't tip or stay at home or else take part in a shit system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blazera@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) No, see if you go and dont tip, you're still taking part in the shit system, just with a side of hurtin workers. The owners making just as much money and doesnt need to change what he's doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Not always that easy is it, if you want to go out you have to find a place that advertises their no tipping policy. It's go and don't tip or stay at home or else take part in a shit system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blazera@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) No, see if you go and dont tip, you're still taking part in the shit system, just with a side of hurtin workers. The owners making just as much money and doesnt need to change what he's doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] blazera@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) No, see if you go and dont tip, you're still taking part in the shit system, just with a side of hurtin workers. The owners making just as much money and doesnt need to change what he's doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Cruxifux@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago The problem is that not tipping doesn’t punish the people creating the tipping issue, just making the people who are oppressed by it suffer more. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Because it comes from a history of slavery. Pushing it on to you, the customer, to pay the underpaid employee so the boss man doesn't have to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (4 children) Tipping seems to be a cultural thing in the States. Here in the UK we take the Mr. Pink approach to tipping. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) It stopped being a cultural thing decades ago. Now it’s about about companies not paying employees a living wage and America’s right wing constantly blocking legislation that would force employers to pay people enough to have shelter and food. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children) It actually started as an economic thing too, because businesses during the great depression weren't able to consistently pay living wages. Edit: I was wrong, see below permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 years ago It was originally a way to be able to hire black people and not pay them permalink fedilink source parent [–] nocturne213@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago It started much earlier than that and has roots in racism. https://time.com/5404475/history-tipping-american-restaurants-civil-war/ After the Constitution was amended in the wake of the Civil War, slavery was ended as an institution but those who were freed from bondage were still limited in their choices. Many who did not end up sharecropping worked in menial positions, such as servants, waiters, barbers and railroad porters. These were pretty much the only occupations available to them. For restaurant workers and railroad porters, there was a catch: many employers would not actually pay these workers, under the condition that guests would offer a small tip instead. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) During the UK lockdowns, I tipped all the front line workers where I could. That's it. I'm not tipping someone as compensation for doing their job, that's what their employer is for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cynar@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) I tip for exceptional service. If someone goes above and beyond what's required of them, I leave a tip. I also tip if I make their lives more difficult that they should have been. Dealing with our general public, during COVID definitely counts as both. Particularly with the number of people who couldn't figure out how to wear a mask. At the same time, I also didn't go out much during the pandemic, mostly due to the whole pandemic thing going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Have you noticed all take aways have delivery charges in the UK since Covid? I assume it's because few of us have cash about anymore so the drivers aren't getting tipped. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.uk 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Last time I tried to tip a delivery driver im the UK they said they can't take it.. Given we pay for delivery though and it's difficult to see what a driver could do above and beyond that isn't just 'doing their job' that's probably a good thing, provided they're getting a decent amount of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago It's about how fast it got there for me in the past, which I know isn't always in their control, but there needs to be some criteria. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) It stopped being a cultural thing decades ago. Now it’s about about companies not paying employees a living wage and America’s right wing constantly blocking legislation that would force employers to pay people enough to have shelter and food. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children) It actually started as an economic thing too, because businesses during the great depression weren't able to consistently pay living wages. Edit: I was wrong, see below permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 years ago It was originally a way to be able to hire black people and not pay them permalink fedilink source parent [–] nocturne213@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago It started much earlier than that and has roots in racism. https://time.com/5404475/history-tipping-american-restaurants-civil-war/ After the Constitution was amended in the wake of the Civil War, slavery was ended as an institution but those who were freed from bondage were still limited in their choices. Many who did not end up sharecropping worked in menial positions, such as servants, waiters, barbers and railroad porters. These were pretty much the only occupations available to them. For restaurant workers and railroad porters, there was a catch: many employers would not actually pay these workers, under the condition that guests would offer a small tip instead. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children) It actually started as an economic thing too, because businesses during the great depression weren't able to consistently pay living wages. Edit: I was wrong, see below permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 years ago It was originally a way to be able to hire black people and not pay them permalink fedilink source parent [–] nocturne213@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago It started much earlier than that and has roots in racism. https://time.com/5404475/history-tipping-american-restaurants-civil-war/ After the Constitution was amended in the wake of the Civil War, slavery was ended as an institution but those who were freed from bondage were still limited in their choices. Many who did not end up sharecropping worked in menial positions, such as servants, waiters, barbers and railroad porters. These were pretty much the only occupations available to them. For restaurant workers and railroad porters, there was a catch: many employers would not actually pay these workers, under the condition that guests would offer a small tip instead. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 years ago It was originally a way to be able to hire black people and not pay them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nocturne213@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago It started much earlier than that and has roots in racism. https://time.com/5404475/history-tipping-american-restaurants-civil-war/ After the Constitution was amended in the wake of the Civil War, slavery was ended as an institution but those who were freed from bondage were still limited in their choices. Many who did not end up sharecropping worked in menial positions, such as servants, waiters, barbers and railroad porters. These were pretty much the only occupations available to them. For restaurant workers and railroad porters, there was a catch: many employers would not actually pay these workers, under the condition that guests would offer a small tip instead. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) During the UK lockdowns, I tipped all the front line workers where I could. That's it. I'm not tipping someone as compensation for doing their job, that's what their employer is for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cynar@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) I tip for exceptional service. If someone goes above and beyond what's required of them, I leave a tip. I also tip if I make their lives more difficult that they should have been. Dealing with our general public, during COVID definitely counts as both. Particularly with the number of people who couldn't figure out how to wear a mask. At the same time, I also didn't go out much during the pandemic, mostly due to the whole pandemic thing going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Have you noticed all take aways have delivery charges in the UK since Covid? I assume it's because few of us have cash about anymore so the drivers aren't getting tipped. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.uk 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Last time I tried to tip a delivery driver im the UK they said they can't take it.. Given we pay for delivery though and it's difficult to see what a driver could do above and beyond that isn't just 'doing their job' that's probably a good thing, provided they're getting a decent amount of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago It's about how fast it got there for me in the past, which I know isn't always in their control, but there needs to be some criteria. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] cynar@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) I tip for exceptional service. If someone goes above and beyond what's required of them, I leave a tip. I also tip if I make their lives more difficult that they should have been. Dealing with our general public, during COVID definitely counts as both. Particularly with the number of people who couldn't figure out how to wear a mask. At the same time, I also didn't go out much during the pandemic, mostly due to the whole pandemic thing going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Have you noticed all take aways have delivery charges in the UK since Covid? I assume it's because few of us have cash about anymore so the drivers aren't getting tipped. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.uk 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Last time I tried to tip a delivery driver im the UK they said they can't take it.. Given we pay for delivery though and it's difficult to see what a driver could do above and beyond that isn't just 'doing their job' that's probably a good thing, provided they're getting a decent amount of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago It's about how fast it got there for me in the past, which I know isn't always in their control, but there needs to be some criteria. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.uk 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Last time I tried to tip a delivery driver im the UK they said they can't take it.. Given we pay for delivery though and it's difficult to see what a driver could do above and beyond that isn't just 'doing their job' that's probably a good thing, provided they're getting a decent amount of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago It's about how fast it got there for me in the past, which I know isn't always in their control, but there needs to be some criteria. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago It's about how fast it got there for me in the past, which I know isn't always in their control, but there needs to be some criteria. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] derf82@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (9 children) Disliking tipping is no reason to screw hardworking people over. Tipping is a fact of life, even if you think it’s dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Signtist@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Ultimately, we need to tip people in the short term to keep them afloat until we can work with them in the long term to get America to the standard that most of the rest of the world takes, where tipping is a special case scenario only for exceptionally good work, and never to be needed or expected. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) But it doesn’t have to be if the employers pay how they should permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doug@midwest.social 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) Sure but until they do a lot of those people need tips to get by and it's far from as easy as "just get a different job" Source: used to be one such person permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Iamdanno@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) With unemployment numbers so low right now, this is actually the time to "just get another job". In the USA, at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doug@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Have you tried? What other job do you get when your experience is tipped work? Or do you go to school to take on debt that will set you back for a long time because the education system is shot too. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] ChemicalRascal@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) It really doesn't have to be a "fact of life", and it isn't in many places, such as Australia and England -- nations with very similar degrees of economic prosperity, and very similar cultures, to the USA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derf82@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago People have tried and failed. But my point is, until that time you have to tip. I don’t care for people that don’t tip while arguing they are doing their server a favor. It is a disingenuous attempt to be cheap. A server’s paycheck should not be held hostage to a a war on tipping culture. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Or, employers could pay their workers better. Novel thought, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derf82@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) And you think not tipping your server today, before they get those wages, will make that happen? Sorry, Mr. Pink. Being an asshole to your server does not make you somehow pro-worker. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yes. By not showing up at all. permalink fedilink source parent [+] yuunikki@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Signtist@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Ultimately, we need to tip people in the short term to keep them afloat until we can work with them in the long term to get America to the standard that most of the rest of the world takes, where tipping is a special case scenario only for exceptionally good work, and never to be needed or expected. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) But it doesn’t have to be if the employers pay how they should permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doug@midwest.social 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) Sure but until they do a lot of those people need tips to get by and it's far from as easy as "just get a different job" Source: used to be one such person permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Iamdanno@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) With unemployment numbers so low right now, this is actually the time to "just get another job". In the USA, at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doug@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Have you tried? What other job do you get when your experience is tipped work? Or do you go to school to take on debt that will set you back for a long time because the education system is shot too. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Doug@midwest.social 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) Sure but until they do a lot of those people need tips to get by and it's far from as easy as "just get a different job" Source: used to be one such person permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Iamdanno@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) With unemployment numbers so low right now, this is actually the time to "just get another job". In the USA, at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doug@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Have you tried? What other job do you get when your experience is tipped work? Or do you go to school to take on debt that will set you back for a long time because the education system is shot too. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Iamdanno@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) With unemployment numbers so low right now, this is actually the time to "just get another job". In the USA, at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doug@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Have you tried? What other job do you get when your experience is tipped work? Or do you go to school to take on debt that will set you back for a long time because the education system is shot too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doug@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Have you tried? What other job do you get when your experience is tipped work? Or do you go to school to take on debt that will set you back for a long time because the education system is shot too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChemicalRascal@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) It really doesn't have to be a "fact of life", and it isn't in many places, such as Australia and England -- nations with very similar degrees of economic prosperity, and very similar cultures, to the USA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derf82@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago People have tried and failed. But my point is, until that time you have to tip. I don’t care for people that don’t tip while arguing they are doing their server a favor. It is a disingenuous attempt to be cheap. A server’s paycheck should not be held hostage to a a war on tipping culture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] derf82@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago People have tried and failed. But my point is, until that time you have to tip. I don’t care for people that don’t tip while arguing they are doing their server a favor. It is a disingenuous attempt to be cheap. A server’s paycheck should not be held hostage to a a war on tipping culture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Or, employers could pay their workers better. Novel thought, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derf82@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) And you think not tipping your server today, before they get those wages, will make that happen? Sorry, Mr. Pink. Being an asshole to your server does not make you somehow pro-worker. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yes. By not showing up at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] derf82@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) And you think not tipping your server today, before they get those wages, will make that happen? Sorry, Mr. Pink. Being an asshole to your server does not make you somehow pro-worker. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yes. By not showing up at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yes. By not showing up at all. permalink fedilink source parent