โฒ 588 โผ What's some really unpopular opinion you have? (lemmings.world) submitted 3 years ago by rikudou@lemmings.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml 2226 comments fedilink hide all child comments Most of the time when people say they have an unpopular opinion, it turns out it's actually pretty popular. Do you have some that's really unpopular and most likely will get you downvoted?
[โ] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 127 points 3 years ago (7 children) Tax is not theft permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 4 points 3 years ago Comrades permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 16 points 3 years ago (3 children) It's not theft, IF the government puts that money to good use e.g. health care, education, maintain roads, utilities, ... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [โ] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 2 points 3 years ago Taxation isn't theft, but misuse of tax revenue is. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) The problem is getting those under that government to agree on what good uses are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I would simplify taxes as being the cost of being part of society and therefore the tax money should be put back into that society to benefit the people being part of it. Healthcare, education, maintenance of public roads/buildings/parks/... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I think of taxes the same way. I just meant that not everyone would agree on what what parts of society the government is responsible to fund. My primary thought was healthcare in the US because it feels like half the country is against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah I never understood that ( I'm from Scandinavia or as your conservatives describe it - that socialist hellhole ). I recall seeing a study some years ago that the US spends many billions a year more on healthcare than it would with universal healthcare. So what if my taxes pay for the treatment of someone's cancer? It goes the opposite way too, healthcare that I need is being paid for as well and nearly everyone needs some sort of hospital or emergency care at least once in their life - regular doc appointments likely once or twice a year. Over here, I make an appointment and walk out without paying or even seeing the bill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That sounds so much better to me than the shit we have here. I always get so frustrated to hear people argue against it when the US is like the last fully developed country that doesn't have some form of single payer healthcare. Like, look around. There are plenty of examples of it working, but half the country just doesn't seem to get it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've had a conversation with someone on Reddit about this some years back. They basically explained that people are being told that healthcare/social security is socialism and they're being told that socialism is just communism under a different name and therefore is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ah, so we can't have anything socialist because it's such a slippery slope to being full on commies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago As ridiculous as that sounds, that is basically the explanation they gave me. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] AnusBesamus@feddit.de 1 point 3 years ago Maybe also unpopular, but my standpoint on taxes is: The government is the one giving out the money in the first place. Every dollar comes from the Fed (exception some virtual money) like the monopoly bank just gives out money in the first place.ย The point of taxes is to keep the economy working fairly. Like putting high taxes on something to discourage bad behavior, and the other way around. Also, it's necessary to keep capitalism from evolving into feudalism, as money likes to accumulate on a few rich ones. The second thought is what the government should with the money. Of course, they should do great and needed investments. Often times, this is not the case, but the root problems here are not taxes themselves. There is no alternative universe where the government is spending all money perfectly. The real problem is the rich being able to evade taxes, and they frame taxes as something unfair. Additionally, not rich people pay far too much in taxes. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] FleetingTit@feddit.de 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) That is not a controversial opinion, is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago I thought so too, but Lemmy proofed me otherwise permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Damaskox@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Since I enjoy the idea of providing goodness for the masses regardless who and what they are, I approve taxes. Well, as long as the tax money actually goes to make the country better for its people to live in. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago I think it is, but it can balance out the theft imposed by the ultra wealthy its all about the nuance of the wording ngl the govt takes ur money - this is theft monopolies and duopolies take ur money for basic goods and services - this is theft permalink fedilink source parent [+] PsychedSy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) If you delete your post, I can still see it Of course it is. It's an infringement on the individual that society makes. Society should remember that their political flavor of choice is floating on a raft of fucking bones. Every little thing you want the government to do is your own goddamned blood. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] PsychedSy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago I didn't feel like trying to make the last sentence make sense lol permalink fedilink source parent [โ] ARg94@lemmy.packitsolutions.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol. Wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago How????? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 4 points 3 years ago Comrades permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 16 points 3 years ago (3 children) It's not theft, IF the government puts that money to good use e.g. health care, education, maintain roads, utilities, ... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [โ] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 2 points 3 years ago Taxation isn't theft, but misuse of tax revenue is. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) The problem is getting those under that government to agree on what good uses are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I would simplify taxes as being the cost of being part of society and therefore the tax money should be put back into that society to benefit the people being part of it. Healthcare, education, maintenance of public roads/buildings/parks/... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I think of taxes the same way. I just meant that not everyone would agree on what what parts of society the government is responsible to fund. My primary thought was healthcare in the US because it feels like half the country is against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah I never understood that ( I'm from Scandinavia or as your conservatives describe it - that socialist hellhole ). I recall seeing a study some years ago that the US spends many billions a year more on healthcare than it would with universal healthcare. So what if my taxes pay for the treatment of someone's cancer? It goes the opposite way too, healthcare that I need is being paid for as well and nearly everyone needs some sort of hospital or emergency care at least once in their life - regular doc appointments likely once or twice a year. Over here, I make an appointment and walk out without paying or even seeing the bill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That sounds so much better to me than the shit we have here. I always get so frustrated to hear people argue against it when the US is like the last fully developed country that doesn't have some form of single payer healthcare. Like, look around. There are plenty of examples of it working, but half the country just doesn't seem to get it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've had a conversation with someone on Reddit about this some years back. They basically explained that people are being told that healthcare/social security is socialism and they're being told that socialism is just communism under a different name and therefore is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ah, so we can't have anything socialist because it's such a slippery slope to being full on commies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago As ridiculous as that sounds, that is basically the explanation they gave me. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] AnusBesamus@feddit.de 1 point 3 years ago Maybe also unpopular, but my standpoint on taxes is: The government is the one giving out the money in the first place. Every dollar comes from the Fed (exception some virtual money) like the monopoly bank just gives out money in the first place.ย The point of taxes is to keep the economy working fairly. Like putting high taxes on something to discourage bad behavior, and the other way around. Also, it's necessary to keep capitalism from evolving into feudalism, as money likes to accumulate on a few rich ones. The second thought is what the government should with the money. Of course, they should do great and needed investments. Often times, this is not the case, but the root problems here are not taxes themselves. There is no alternative universe where the government is spending all money perfectly. The real problem is the rich being able to evade taxes, and they frame taxes as something unfair. Additionally, not rich people pay far too much in taxes. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 2 points 3 years ago Taxation isn't theft, but misuse of tax revenue is. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) The problem is getting those under that government to agree on what good uses are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I would simplify taxes as being the cost of being part of society and therefore the tax money should be put back into that society to benefit the people being part of it. Healthcare, education, maintenance of public roads/buildings/parks/... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I think of taxes the same way. I just meant that not everyone would agree on what what parts of society the government is responsible to fund. My primary thought was healthcare in the US because it feels like half the country is against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah I never understood that ( I'm from Scandinavia or as your conservatives describe it - that socialist hellhole ). I recall seeing a study some years ago that the US spends many billions a year more on healthcare than it would with universal healthcare. So what if my taxes pay for the treatment of someone's cancer? It goes the opposite way too, healthcare that I need is being paid for as well and nearly everyone needs some sort of hospital or emergency care at least once in their life - regular doc appointments likely once or twice a year. Over here, I make an appointment and walk out without paying or even seeing the bill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That sounds so much better to me than the shit we have here. I always get so frustrated to hear people argue against it when the US is like the last fully developed country that doesn't have some form of single payer healthcare. Like, look around. There are plenty of examples of it working, but half the country just doesn't seem to get it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've had a conversation with someone on Reddit about this some years back. They basically explained that people are being told that healthcare/social security is socialism and they're being told that socialism is just communism under a different name and therefore is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ah, so we can't have anything socialist because it's such a slippery slope to being full on commies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago As ridiculous as that sounds, that is basically the explanation they gave me. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I would simplify taxes as being the cost of being part of society and therefore the tax money should be put back into that society to benefit the people being part of it. Healthcare, education, maintenance of public roads/buildings/parks/... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I think of taxes the same way. I just meant that not everyone would agree on what what parts of society the government is responsible to fund. My primary thought was healthcare in the US because it feels like half the country is against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah I never understood that ( I'm from Scandinavia or as your conservatives describe it - that socialist hellhole ). I recall seeing a study some years ago that the US spends many billions a year more on healthcare than it would with universal healthcare. So what if my taxes pay for the treatment of someone's cancer? It goes the opposite way too, healthcare that I need is being paid for as well and nearly everyone needs some sort of hospital or emergency care at least once in their life - regular doc appointments likely once or twice a year. Over here, I make an appointment and walk out without paying or even seeing the bill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That sounds so much better to me than the shit we have here. I always get so frustrated to hear people argue against it when the US is like the last fully developed country that doesn't have some form of single payer healthcare. Like, look around. There are plenty of examples of it working, but half the country just doesn't seem to get it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've had a conversation with someone on Reddit about this some years back. They basically explained that people are being told that healthcare/social security is socialism and they're being told that socialism is just communism under a different name and therefore is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ah, so we can't have anything socialist because it's such a slippery slope to being full on commies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago As ridiculous as that sounds, that is basically the explanation they gave me. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I think of taxes the same way. I just meant that not everyone would agree on what what parts of society the government is responsible to fund. My primary thought was healthcare in the US because it feels like half the country is against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah I never understood that ( I'm from Scandinavia or as your conservatives describe it - that socialist hellhole ). I recall seeing a study some years ago that the US spends many billions a year more on healthcare than it would with universal healthcare. So what if my taxes pay for the treatment of someone's cancer? It goes the opposite way too, healthcare that I need is being paid for as well and nearly everyone needs some sort of hospital or emergency care at least once in their life - regular doc appointments likely once or twice a year. Over here, I make an appointment and walk out without paying or even seeing the bill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That sounds so much better to me than the shit we have here. I always get so frustrated to hear people argue against it when the US is like the last fully developed country that doesn't have some form of single payer healthcare. Like, look around. There are plenty of examples of it working, but half the country just doesn't seem to get it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've had a conversation with someone on Reddit about this some years back. They basically explained that people are being told that healthcare/social security is socialism and they're being told that socialism is just communism under a different name and therefore is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ah, so we can't have anything socialist because it's such a slippery slope to being full on commies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago As ridiculous as that sounds, that is basically the explanation they gave me. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah I never understood that ( I'm from Scandinavia or as your conservatives describe it - that socialist hellhole ). I recall seeing a study some years ago that the US spends many billions a year more on healthcare than it would with universal healthcare. So what if my taxes pay for the treatment of someone's cancer? It goes the opposite way too, healthcare that I need is being paid for as well and nearly everyone needs some sort of hospital or emergency care at least once in their life - regular doc appointments likely once or twice a year. Over here, I make an appointment and walk out without paying or even seeing the bill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That sounds so much better to me than the shit we have here. I always get so frustrated to hear people argue against it when the US is like the last fully developed country that doesn't have some form of single payer healthcare. Like, look around. There are plenty of examples of it working, but half the country just doesn't seem to get it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've had a conversation with someone on Reddit about this some years back. They basically explained that people are being told that healthcare/social security is socialism and they're being told that socialism is just communism under a different name and therefore is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ah, so we can't have anything socialist because it's such a slippery slope to being full on commies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago As ridiculous as that sounds, that is basically the explanation they gave me. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That sounds so much better to me than the shit we have here. I always get so frustrated to hear people argue against it when the US is like the last fully developed country that doesn't have some form of single payer healthcare. Like, look around. There are plenty of examples of it working, but half the country just doesn't seem to get it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've had a conversation with someone on Reddit about this some years back. They basically explained that people are being told that healthcare/social security is socialism and they're being told that socialism is just communism under a different name and therefore is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ah, so we can't have anything socialist because it's such a slippery slope to being full on commies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago As ridiculous as that sounds, that is basically the explanation they gave me. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've had a conversation with someone on Reddit about this some years back. They basically explained that people are being told that healthcare/social security is socialism and they're being told that socialism is just communism under a different name and therefore is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ah, so we can't have anything socialist because it's such a slippery slope to being full on commies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago As ridiculous as that sounds, that is basically the explanation they gave me. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] leclownfou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ah, so we can't have anything socialist because it's such a slippery slope to being full on commies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago As ridiculous as that sounds, that is basically the explanation they gave me. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Xenxs@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago As ridiculous as that sounds, that is basically the explanation they gave me. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] AnusBesamus@feddit.de 1 point 3 years ago Maybe also unpopular, but my standpoint on taxes is: The government is the one giving out the money in the first place. Every dollar comes from the Fed (exception some virtual money) like the monopoly bank just gives out money in the first place.ย The point of taxes is to keep the economy working fairly. Like putting high taxes on something to discourage bad behavior, and the other way around. Also, it's necessary to keep capitalism from evolving into feudalism, as money likes to accumulate on a few rich ones. The second thought is what the government should with the money. Of course, they should do great and needed investments. Often times, this is not the case, but the root problems here are not taxes themselves. There is no alternative universe where the government is spending all money perfectly. The real problem is the rich being able to evade taxes, and they frame taxes as something unfair. Additionally, not rich people pay far too much in taxes. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] FleetingTit@feddit.de 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) That is not a controversial opinion, is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago I thought so too, but Lemmy proofed me otherwise permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago I thought so too, but Lemmy proofed me otherwise permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Damaskox@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Since I enjoy the idea of providing goodness for the masses regardless who and what they are, I approve taxes. Well, as long as the tax money actually goes to make the country better for its people to live in. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago I think it is, but it can balance out the theft imposed by the ultra wealthy its all about the nuance of the wording ngl the govt takes ur money - this is theft monopolies and duopolies take ur money for basic goods and services - this is theft permalink fedilink source parent
[+] PsychedSy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) If you delete your post, I can still see it Of course it is. It's an infringement on the individual that society makes. Society should remember that their political flavor of choice is floating on a raft of fucking bones. Every little thing you want the government to do is your own goddamned blood. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] PsychedSy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago I didn't feel like trying to make the last sentence make sense lol permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) If you delete your post, I can still see it Of course it is. It's an infringement on the individual that society makes. Society should remember that their political flavor of choice is floating on a raft of fucking bones. Every little thing you want the government to do is your own goddamned blood. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] PsychedSy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago I didn't feel like trying to make the last sentence make sense lol permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] PsychedSy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago I didn't feel like trying to make the last sentence make sense lol permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] ARg94@lemmy.packitsolutions.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol. Wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago How????? permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago How????? permalink fedilink source parent