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Dave Chappelle fills Netflix special with jokes about trans and disabled people (www.independent.co.uk)
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Dave Chappelle has released a new Netflix special, The Dreamer, which is full of jokes about the trans community and disabled people.

“I love punching down!” he tells the audience, in a one-hour show that landed on the streaming service today (31 December).

It’s his seventh special for Netflix and comes two years after his last one, the highly controversial release The Closer.

That programme was criticised for its relentless jokes about the trans community, and Chappelle revisits the topic in his new show.

He tells jokes about trans women in prison, and about trans people “pretending” to be somebody they are not.

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[+] -43 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Ehh. I'll probably still watch it.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Netflix appreciates your support for bigotry and is glad that you will be added to the data that shows that bigotry makes for popular programming. Otherwise, we might not make this sort of thing anymore.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They never said how they're gonna watch it, plenty of ways to see it on the high sea.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I don't really think that changes what I'm saying. I think it is unlikely that Netflix doesn't take piracy into account when calculating viewership. Because even if those aren't subscribers, they're viral marketers and drive up subscriptions because of it. Obviously, they don't want their programming to be pirated, but I think it would be foolish of them to not fold those into overall viewership numbers. I would say the same thing about Max and The Last of Us or Disney and The Mandalorian.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago

    Your views on piracy and Netflix are so outdated. Modern day piracy is not transparent because most people abandoned torrenting which is how netflix got their numbers originally. There is nothing for them to gauge audience on, no seeders no peers. Today pirate sites are huge money makers. They have their own apps and ecosystems with quality and services better than paid services with highly sophisticated CDNs that make use of temporary domains to rotate the DNS of the players so they can't be caught.

    All you do is talk out of your ass

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  • [+] -49 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Netflix can count on me!

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yes, you've already made your pro-bigotry stance known above. I'm just not sure why you think it's something to be proud of.

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  • [+] -17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Have a day off

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    What?

    EDIT: While you're all downvoting me, could one of you take the time to please tell me what the person I responded to meant by "have a day off?" I honestly don't know what that is supposed to mean.

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  • [+] -15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It means go laugh at a joke ya wet blanket.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Did you find Rosanne's latest comedy special to be a gut-buster or were you a wet blanket who didn't watch it and laugh at her hilarious jokes?

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  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No, her "jokes" are legitimately not funny. She does not play to diverse audiences. She curates her audience or does not have a live audience.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    I see, so "go laugh at a joke ya wet blanket" only applies to funny jokes.

    So not unfunny jokes like: "My pronouns are, kiss my ass." from Roseanne's special...

    But funny jokes like: "I wrote a play. I did. Cause I know that gays love plays. It's a very sad play, but it's moving. It's about a Black transgender woman whose pronoun is, sadly, n*****." from Chapelle's special.

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  • [+] -19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm proud because I'm going to watch it twice. The first time with my trans friend. Both her and I find the topic of trans rights and freedom to exist very serious but we also know when to turn it off and enjoy a comedy show. I'll probably watch it again with my wheelchair bound nephew simply because he finds it's funny. If someone were to "punch down" on any of those ppl I have and will continue to to fight for them. It's funny that you, I, and others in the thread are on the same side of the larger issue only outside of the context of comedy.

    There's no bigotry here. I know how to take a joke and some of the "targets" of his joke know how to take one as well. The real victims here are the persons who cannot take a joke. Dave will continue to attack you guys indiscriminately.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    The first time with my trans friend. Both her and I find the topic of trans rights and freedom to exist very serious but we also know when to turn it off and enjoy a comedy show. I’ll probably watch it again with my wheelchair bound nephew simply because he finds it’s funny.

    Uh-huh. And your mother is a Navajo and your best friend is both Jewish and Tibetan.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Just not disabled and trans people, apparently. Good job, you. You're so supportive of people whose lives are hard enough without some cunt obsessing over them so he can "punch down" at them. Have a fucking cookie 🍪

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  • [+] -21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    He does a few jokes. You do the obsessing .

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Is this you?

    You seem to be singing a different tune there... Of course in that case, it was someone mocking white people...

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  • [+] -32 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Wells that’s a bit creepy of you…. But I think most people can tell the difference between being attacked (in this case, supporting the murder of gays) and being the subject of a joke ?

    Maybe not, maybe that’s the problem, right ?

    You’re attempting to compare a comedian telling jokes, to an elected official advocating murder. That’s always going to be a difficult thing to do.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    I know. Having a memory of something that happened a few days ago and an ability to use a search function sure is creepy.

    Also, the 'being attacked' you are talking about is someone saying, "Another ancient white guy. Color me shocked."

    Which... I don't know... seems a whole lot less offensive than using multiple Netflix specials to repeatedly demean trans people.

    But you're right, "Another ancient white guy. Color me shocked." That's just beyond the pale. What a vicious, heard-hearted, racist attack!

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    He’s not telling jokes. He’s repeatedly making statements that trans women aren’t real women. The very same statements that are being legislated around the country denying trans people the right to use bathrooms, participate in sports, receive necessary healthcare, have parental rights, etc. it would be like a white comic in the 40s “joking” about black people using their own bathrooms or water fountains.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Given this is this comedian's 2nd (or 3rd?) netflix special in a row where he goes after trans people, I'm not sure who's actually got the obsession.

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  • [+] -12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    "Goes after."

    That's a stretch. He's telling jokes, not inciting an angry mob.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I was just 'exaggerating for comedic affect.' y'know - like Dave Chappelle does?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Just gotta claim you're being canceled now, and Netflix will give you a special, I think.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Netflix Exec 1: "We need a new way of getting subscribers"

    Netflix Exec 2: "How about this - we wait for a comedian to say something really awful, then, when ordinary people are appalled by what they said, we get the comedian to start shrieking about being cancelled...."

    NE1: "We're cancelling them?"

    NE2: "That's the thing - nobody is! But as we all know, these comedians core audience are people who have a Pavlovian response to the word 'cancel' and they're somehow even less able than they already were to think coherently....so we wait, for the 'controversy (lol)' to really ramp up, then give the comedian a 2 hour special. It'll only cost us a few million but the new subscriber numbers amongst the gammon population will far exceed that figure!"

    NE1: "Brilliant! But wait...aren't we going to look like shitty people?"

    NE2: "Possibly, but ten years from now we can produce a documentary series about the real world affect on people these specials had - we can act all contrite, the comedians can, I dunno, cry a bit maybe? Net result - more money!"

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    NE2: "Possibly, but ten years from now we can produce a documentary series about the real world affect on people these specials had - we can act all contrite, the comedians can, I dunno, cry a bit maybe? Net result - more money!"

    Cue greenlighting Disclosure 2, where even more exasperated trans people have to explain the damage the media is still causing trans people.

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  • [+] -14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)
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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago*

    Maybe because trans people are already in fear for their safety in much of the world? It's popular for even elected conservative politicians in the US to call them mentally ill. If your identity and right to live were a fun topic for a popular comedian with a huge following, do you think you might get irked by that? School shootings can affect anyone, those aren't about a marginalized group.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Odd that you're not calling for those other subjects to face condemnations and scrutiny as well. I don't think mass shooter jokes or jokes about child sexual abuse are funny. Comedy doesn't exist in a vacuum it has real-world effects on how people think and feel about the subjects it ridicules. We shouldn't tolerate the normalization of these things.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    So... you do think mass shooting and child sexual abuse should be joked about? Then what was the point of your comment at all?

    It's also just true lol I don't know how to explain to you that minstrel shows were an active part of racism in America and did a lot to proliferate racist caricatures that still exist to this day. Comedy isn't magically ineffective at spreading ideology when all other forms of media are.

    (Video games don't make you violent but they can spread unconscious biases about groups of people, like Muslims for example, by reinforcing who is shot at and who is doing the shooting)

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Comedy isn't magically ineffective at spreading ideology when all other forms of media are.

    It's often more effective because it feeds off of and into current societal feelings. It can shield itself behind being "just a joke" and can still be actively harmful to the minorities they target.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago*

    And you have no basis for thinking this. You didn't respond to half my comment so I'm going to assume you're aware that making a joke where the punchline "trans women are fucking disgusting and are privileged in society and are a threat to children" can absolutely promote and encourage a group of people to legitimately believe that and you just don't care.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago*

    What kind of decent joke could a comedian tell that would encourage a person to shoot up a school or be a pedo? Jokes about marginalized groups help encourage othering of that group and normalizes bigotry. I'm not saying a person can't joke about anything they want, but in a political climate where people are making historic pushes to persecute trans people I think it is a pretty massive dick move to fan the flames.

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