▲ 193 ▼ Do Huawei phones have a secret backdoor that the Chinese government can access? (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by skeezix@lemmy.world to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world 77 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 91 points 2 years ago (3 children) Yes. Also phones made in the US have back doors that the US government can access. It’s not really secret. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ringwraithfish@startrek.website 48 points 2 years ago It's secret like Area 51 is secret. We know it's there, we know the government is doing something with it, but we don't know fully what, when, why, or how. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) I don't think the US Govt backdoors phones anymore ... mostly because they don't need to. They find other ways to get the information, like warrantless surveillance of Google and Apple notification servers. The other reason I don't think it happens is that there are just too many security researchers trying to find exploits and backdoors. Also it's pretty well known that any backdoor can be used against you. The NSA has an interest in domestic phones being secure. Granted, international models might have some alterations/backdoors... Even then, that would be egg on the face that they don't really need if they got caught with a backdoor that applied only to international phones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cinner@lemmy.world [B] 14 points 2 years ago The backdoors the NSA uses are known vulnerabilities, 0days, USB drops, all the normal hacker tools... and if it's a target of sensitive enough in nature, maybe a warrant requiring Apple Update/Windows Update/whoever or whatever device needs spied on, to deliver a payload to that specific machine. https://www.vice.com/en/article/wnx5bm/nsas-hacker-in-chief-we-dont-need-zero-days-to-get-inside-your-network-rob-boyce permalink fedilink source parent [–] Persen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I'm sorry if I act like an asshole, but doesen't this mean, the same as the comment you answered to? Edit: I'm dumb. The person answering just added some info in the post. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Lemminary@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (3 children) Why do these threads always circle back to the US? It's always the obnoxious "USA bad because other country bad" And no, I'm not American permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] olutukko@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's just pointing out that chinese are not the only people to spy on you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I'm aware, but if that's the answer why not include other nations, then? It's always just the US and I find that very curious and kind of annoying when any criticism is drawn to China on Lemmy. It's always the same knee-jerk reaction. Because from what I see, the degree to which that happens is kind of wide and involves way more countries than just the US and China. Source permalink fedilink source parent [–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Because asking whether a chinese phone is spying on you is a loaded question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) How is it a loaded question if the answer is a resounding "yes, it's not a secret"? I think you mean that it's a narrow question. If the answer is "but look at all these other nations" it would've been more than China and the US. By your logic, it's also quite a loaded answer, then, don't you think? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US is often used as a synecdoche for the five eyes, the "western world", nato, etc. Stop being so obtuse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The US is a very different country than any of the 30 other NATO members and often acts in direct conflict with the rest of the Western world. If I did the same and used China to represent the entirety of Asia I'd get chewed out for it, so why is the USA the face of all things people disagree with on this side of the world? Besides, using the US to contrast China creates a false dichotomy and oversimplifies the issue of mass surveillance, obfuscating both the extent and the nuance that people here claim to champion. Stop being so thick. permalink fedilink source parent [+] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Saprophyte@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ringwraithfish@startrek.website 48 points 2 years ago It's secret like Area 51 is secret. We know it's there, we know the government is doing something with it, but we don't know fully what, when, why, or how. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) I don't think the US Govt backdoors phones anymore ... mostly because they don't need to. They find other ways to get the information, like warrantless surveillance of Google and Apple notification servers. The other reason I don't think it happens is that there are just too many security researchers trying to find exploits and backdoors. Also it's pretty well known that any backdoor can be used against you. The NSA has an interest in domestic phones being secure. Granted, international models might have some alterations/backdoors... Even then, that would be egg on the face that they don't really need if they got caught with a backdoor that applied only to international phones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cinner@lemmy.world [B] 14 points 2 years ago The backdoors the NSA uses are known vulnerabilities, 0days, USB drops, all the normal hacker tools... and if it's a target of sensitive enough in nature, maybe a warrant requiring Apple Update/Windows Update/whoever or whatever device needs spied on, to deliver a payload to that specific machine. https://www.vice.com/en/article/wnx5bm/nsas-hacker-in-chief-we-dont-need-zero-days-to-get-inside-your-network-rob-boyce permalink fedilink source parent [–] Persen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I'm sorry if I act like an asshole, but doesen't this mean, the same as the comment you answered to? Edit: I'm dumb. The person answering just added some info in the post. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cinner@lemmy.world [B] 14 points 2 years ago The backdoors the NSA uses are known vulnerabilities, 0days, USB drops, all the normal hacker tools... and if it's a target of sensitive enough in nature, maybe a warrant requiring Apple Update/Windows Update/whoever or whatever device needs spied on, to deliver a payload to that specific machine. https://www.vice.com/en/article/wnx5bm/nsas-hacker-in-chief-we-dont-need-zero-days-to-get-inside-your-network-rob-boyce permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Persen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I'm sorry if I act like an asshole, but doesen't this mean, the same as the comment you answered to? Edit: I'm dumb. The person answering just added some info in the post. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Lemminary@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (3 children) Why do these threads always circle back to the US? It's always the obnoxious "USA bad because other country bad" And no, I'm not American permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] olutukko@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's just pointing out that chinese are not the only people to spy on you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I'm aware, but if that's the answer why not include other nations, then? It's always just the US and I find that very curious and kind of annoying when any criticism is drawn to China on Lemmy. It's always the same knee-jerk reaction. Because from what I see, the degree to which that happens is kind of wide and involves way more countries than just the US and China. Source permalink fedilink source parent [–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Because asking whether a chinese phone is spying on you is a loaded question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) How is it a loaded question if the answer is a resounding "yes, it's not a secret"? I think you mean that it's a narrow question. If the answer is "but look at all these other nations" it would've been more than China and the US. By your logic, it's also quite a loaded answer, then, don't you think? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US is often used as a synecdoche for the five eyes, the "western world", nato, etc. Stop being so obtuse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The US is a very different country than any of the 30 other NATO members and often acts in direct conflict with the rest of the Western world. If I did the same and used China to represent the entirety of Asia I'd get chewed out for it, so why is the USA the face of all things people disagree with on this side of the world? Besides, using the US to contrast China creates a false dichotomy and oversimplifies the issue of mass surveillance, obfuscating both the extent and the nuance that people here claim to champion. Stop being so thick. permalink fedilink source parent [+] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Saprophyte@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] olutukko@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's just pointing out that chinese are not the only people to spy on you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I'm aware, but if that's the answer why not include other nations, then? It's always just the US and I find that very curious and kind of annoying when any criticism is drawn to China on Lemmy. It's always the same knee-jerk reaction. Because from what I see, the degree to which that happens is kind of wide and involves way more countries than just the US and China. Source permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I'm aware, but if that's the answer why not include other nations, then? It's always just the US and I find that very curious and kind of annoying when any criticism is drawn to China on Lemmy. It's always the same knee-jerk reaction. Because from what I see, the degree to which that happens is kind of wide and involves way more countries than just the US and China. Source permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Because asking whether a chinese phone is spying on you is a loaded question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) How is it a loaded question if the answer is a resounding "yes, it's not a secret"? I think you mean that it's a narrow question. If the answer is "but look at all these other nations" it would've been more than China and the US. By your logic, it's also quite a loaded answer, then, don't you think? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US is often used as a synecdoche for the five eyes, the "western world", nato, etc. Stop being so obtuse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The US is a very different country than any of the 30 other NATO members and often acts in direct conflict with the rest of the Western world. If I did the same and used China to represent the entirety of Asia I'd get chewed out for it, so why is the USA the face of all things people disagree with on this side of the world? Besides, using the US to contrast China creates a false dichotomy and oversimplifies the issue of mass surveillance, obfuscating both the extent and the nuance that people here claim to champion. Stop being so thick. permalink fedilink source parent [+] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) How is it a loaded question if the answer is a resounding "yes, it's not a secret"? I think you mean that it's a narrow question. If the answer is "but look at all these other nations" it would've been more than China and the US. By your logic, it's also quite a loaded answer, then, don't you think? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US is often used as a synecdoche for the five eyes, the "western world", nato, etc. Stop being so obtuse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The US is a very different country than any of the 30 other NATO members and often acts in direct conflict with the rest of the Western world. If I did the same and used China to represent the entirety of Asia I'd get chewed out for it, so why is the USA the face of all things people disagree with on this side of the world? Besides, using the US to contrast China creates a false dichotomy and oversimplifies the issue of mass surveillance, obfuscating both the extent and the nuance that people here claim to champion. Stop being so thick. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US is often used as a synecdoche for the five eyes, the "western world", nato, etc. Stop being so obtuse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The US is a very different country than any of the 30 other NATO members and often acts in direct conflict with the rest of the Western world. If I did the same and used China to represent the entirety of Asia I'd get chewed out for it, so why is the USA the face of all things people disagree with on this side of the world? Besides, using the US to contrast China creates a false dichotomy and oversimplifies the issue of mass surveillance, obfuscating both the extent and the nuance that people here claim to champion. Stop being so thick. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The US is a very different country than any of the 30 other NATO members and often acts in direct conflict with the rest of the Western world. If I did the same and used China to represent the entirety of Asia I'd get chewed out for it, so why is the USA the face of all things people disagree with on this side of the world? Besides, using the US to contrast China creates a false dichotomy and oversimplifies the issue of mass surveillance, obfuscating both the extent and the nuance that people here claim to champion. Stop being so thick. permalink fedilink source parent