▲ 90 ▼ Google’s Android app store monopoly violates antitrust law, jury finds (arstechnica.com) submitted 2 years ago by misk@sopuli.xyz to c/android@lemdro.id 17 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Fake4000@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (2 children) I don't understand, you can pretty much install any app store on android. Am I missing something? permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Yes, you're missing something, IMO. Google to OEMs: Hey, I know we market Android as an open system, but since we know the market reality is that you can't use other software, we're going to force you into signing these agreements saying no third party app stores and you will bundle our software and telemetry, without giving the option to uninstall. You will also make installing apps from outside the play store show a scary message and requiring changes in the settings. Google to app providers: Hey, there's a 30% fee on anything both through the play store, and inside your apps once you're done with the play store. Unless we have a secret backroom deal with you giving you an unfair advantage over competing apps, like we've done with Spotify and Netflix. Courts: Uhhh all of that seems like an abuse of your market position, no? Doesn't seem unreasonable to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago I don't think including the base store is even a bad thing. I reckon the big change from this will be that if your app is signed as an app store and preinstalled or in turn signed off by Google, the usual safety precautions are dropped and for all intents and purposes you can behave like the Google Store. Though... I give it ~1-4 minutes until the shitstorm about malware installing their own app stores to get around all security begins. And in this particular content, Epic counts as malware, given the shit they did on PC. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fake4000@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Thanks for the explanation. Very helpful and insightful. permalink fedilink source parent [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Extra revenue stream To be able to sell their devices in countries not supported by Google Play (China). As a leverage to get better licensing deal from google. Manufacturers must pay Google to include Play Store in their device, and it can cost up to $40 per device. By having their own app store, phone manufacturers might have some leverage in licensing cost negotiation (e.g. Google offering them money to not include other app store). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Samsung has one and they aren't allowed to have it as the default. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] flawedFraction@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago As a similar comparison, Microsoft was found to be in violation of antitrust laws with internet explorer even though everyone could pretty much install any browser they wanted to on Windows. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Yes, you're missing something, IMO. Google to OEMs: Hey, I know we market Android as an open system, but since we know the market reality is that you can't use other software, we're going to force you into signing these agreements saying no third party app stores and you will bundle our software and telemetry, without giving the option to uninstall. You will also make installing apps from outside the play store show a scary message and requiring changes in the settings. Google to app providers: Hey, there's a 30% fee on anything both through the play store, and inside your apps once you're done with the play store. Unless we have a secret backroom deal with you giving you an unfair advantage over competing apps, like we've done with Spotify and Netflix. Courts: Uhhh all of that seems like an abuse of your market position, no? Doesn't seem unreasonable to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago I don't think including the base store is even a bad thing. I reckon the big change from this will be that if your app is signed as an app store and preinstalled or in turn signed off by Google, the usual safety precautions are dropped and for all intents and purposes you can behave like the Google Store. Though... I give it ~1-4 minutes until the shitstorm about malware installing their own app stores to get around all security begins. And in this particular content, Epic counts as malware, given the shit they did on PC. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fake4000@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Thanks for the explanation. Very helpful and insightful. permalink fedilink source parent [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Extra revenue stream To be able to sell their devices in countries not supported by Google Play (China). As a leverage to get better licensing deal from google. Manufacturers must pay Google to include Play Store in their device, and it can cost up to $40 per device. By having their own app store, phone manufacturers might have some leverage in licensing cost negotiation (e.g. Google offering them money to not include other app store). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Samsung has one and they aren't allowed to have it as the default. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago I don't think including the base store is even a bad thing. I reckon the big change from this will be that if your app is signed as an app store and preinstalled or in turn signed off by Google, the usual safety precautions are dropped and for all intents and purposes you can behave like the Google Store. Though... I give it ~1-4 minutes until the shitstorm about malware installing their own app stores to get around all security begins. And in this particular content, Epic counts as malware, given the shit they did on PC. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fake4000@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Thanks for the explanation. Very helpful and insightful. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Extra revenue stream To be able to sell their devices in countries not supported by Google Play (China). As a leverage to get better licensing deal from google. Manufacturers must pay Google to include Play Store in their device, and it can cost up to $40 per device. By having their own app store, phone manufacturers might have some leverage in licensing cost negotiation (e.g. Google offering them money to not include other app store). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Samsung has one and they aren't allowed to have it as the default. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Extra revenue stream To be able to sell their devices in countries not supported by Google Play (China). As a leverage to get better licensing deal from google. Manufacturers must pay Google to include Play Store in their device, and it can cost up to $40 per device. By having their own app store, phone manufacturers might have some leverage in licensing cost negotiation (e.g. Google offering them money to not include other app store). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Samsung has one and they aren't allowed to have it as the default. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flawedFraction@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago As a similar comparison, Microsoft was found to be in violation of antitrust laws with internet explorer even though everyone could pretty much install any browser they wanted to on Windows. permalink fedilink source parent