▲ 516 ▼ Why is the US still sending an endless supply of arms to Israel without conditions? (www.theguardian.com) submitted 2 years ago by GutsBerserk@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 150 comments fedilink hide all child comments The law ( the Leahy Law) requires that the US vet any foreign military receiving US arms. However, that doesn’t happen with Israel
[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago (3 children) The US is an Israeli puppet state. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Toldry@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (3 children) You can credibldy argue that Israel has an outsized influence of US foreign policy, but to call the US an "Israeli puppet state" is such a hyperbolic exaggeration that it sounds less like a valid criticism and more like the old "Jews control the world" antisemitic hate speech. The US has far more influence on Israel than vice versa permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* Its hard to tell sometimes whether somebody is using phrasing like that naively or as a dog whistle (which is why its an effective dog whistle). The reality is Israel plays a critical role in maintaining US empire and public image and Netanyahu is cashing in those in for a racist child-killing spree. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Agreed. The USA is simply too powerful to ever become anyone's lapdog, they're a force unto themselves permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] neige@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] neige@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlackSkinnedJew@lemmynsfw.com -1 points 2 years ago True fact. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Colorcodedresistor@lemm.ee -15 points 2 years ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago Let's not commit to hyperbole. Netty is just a manipulative ass who needs Israel distracted with another war permalink fedilink source parent [+] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) I must have missed the memo where raping women to death, slicing off their tits, and mutilating their vaginas is classified as "resisting oppression". Hamas is bad. Very bad. Edit: I should have included the sauce. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) must have missed the memo where raping women to death, slicing off their tits, and mutilating their vaginas is classified as "resisting oppression". I missed the proof this happened permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) I did too, but what we do have proof of, in the form of hours and hours of grisly trauma-inducing footage, is quite bad enough. While we can rightly condemn its overuse, there is no universe in which the Israelis can be blamed for reacting with force. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sauce: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Video testimony of an eyewitness Police have privately shown journalists a single horrific testimony this isn't proof permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fog of war. All information about the war is provisional at this point. The full truth will come out eventually. In the meantime, I can at least believe that the BBC saw what they say they saw. If the footage itself was faked, we will find out at some point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) BBC saw what they say they saw the bbc saw someone claiming to see something. it's hearsay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, that's true, did you read my comment? Also, I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of news is hearsay. Only relatively few things are ever subjected to the level of scrutiny required by western courts of law. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) you'll forgive me if i don't believe state-produced media parroting state-produced videos. "fog of war" and all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Fair enough, we all have to make our own judgments about sources. permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago so why spread lies? permalink fedilink source parent [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Here you go. But be warned, it is hard to read. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 permalink fedilink source parent [+] Colorcodedresistor@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, I agree with you. It's a tale as old as time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Song as old as rhyme permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Beeyu-tee aaaand...the Beeeast permalink fedilink source parent [+] SCB@lemmy.world -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) fucking oppressed palestinian people, how dare they resist genocide, right? There is no genocide of Palestinians. Less than 1% of Palestinians have been killed in this conflict permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: a. Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; b. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; c. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; d. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. I’m not totally convinced that this is Israel’s intent—most of what I’ve seen points to a brazen and sociopathic indifference typical of 7th graders and goofy “strongman” populists like Netanyahu alike—but the percentage of the population killed does not factor in determining whether it is genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They've killed 0.6% of the population, counting enemy militants. Gaza is 5x the density of Mosul, in which the US (who quite obviously was not committing genocide) killed ~10,000 civilians. Things can be shitty and not be genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, I really don’t to weigh in on whether or not it is genocide, if only because I’m not gonna change anybody’s opinion here. Alls I’m saying is that the qualifications for genocide do not include the destruction of the entire, or even the majority of, the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Any sane look at the situation makes it obvious it is not genocide permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And I’m still not trying to argue with you on that. I’m just saying that the numbers you’re citing do not support your case. There are most definitely situations where killing 0.6% of a population would be considered genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe, if they fit any of the other criteria, which Israel obviously does not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Please point to where I said anything explicitly disagreeing with that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* Raz Segal is an associate professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Stockton University and the endowed professor in the study of modern genocide. TIL A Jewish professor of Holocaust and genocide studies is insane. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Toldry@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (3 children) You can credibldy argue that Israel has an outsized influence of US foreign policy, but to call the US an "Israeli puppet state" is such a hyperbolic exaggeration that it sounds less like a valid criticism and more like the old "Jews control the world" antisemitic hate speech. The US has far more influence on Israel than vice versa permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* Its hard to tell sometimes whether somebody is using phrasing like that naively or as a dog whistle (which is why its an effective dog whistle). The reality is Israel plays a critical role in maintaining US empire and public image and Netanyahu is cashing in those in for a racist child-killing spree. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Agreed. The USA is simply too powerful to ever become anyone's lapdog, they're a force unto themselves permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] neige@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] neige@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* Its hard to tell sometimes whether somebody is using phrasing like that naively or as a dog whistle (which is why its an effective dog whistle). The reality is Israel plays a critical role in maintaining US empire and public image and Netanyahu is cashing in those in for a racist child-killing spree. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Agreed. The USA is simply too powerful to ever become anyone's lapdog, they're a force unto themselves permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] neige@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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[+] Colorcodedresistor@lemm.ee -15 points 2 years ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago Let's not commit to hyperbole. Netty is just a manipulative ass who needs Israel distracted with another war permalink fedilink source parent [+] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) I must have missed the memo where raping women to death, slicing off their tits, and mutilating their vaginas is classified as "resisting oppression". Hamas is bad. Very bad. Edit: I should have included the sauce. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) must have missed the memo where raping women to death, slicing off their tits, and mutilating their vaginas is classified as "resisting oppression". I missed the proof this happened permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) I did too, but what we do have proof of, in the form of hours and hours of grisly trauma-inducing footage, is quite bad enough. While we can rightly condemn its overuse, there is no universe in which the Israelis can be blamed for reacting with force. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sauce: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Video testimony of an eyewitness Police have privately shown journalists a single horrific testimony this isn't proof permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fog of war. All information about the war is provisional at this point. The full truth will come out eventually. In the meantime, I can at least believe that the BBC saw what they say they saw. If the footage itself was faked, we will find out at some point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) BBC saw what they say they saw the bbc saw someone claiming to see something. it's hearsay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, that's true, did you read my comment? Also, I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of news is hearsay. Only relatively few things are ever subjected to the level of scrutiny required by western courts of law. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) you'll forgive me if i don't believe state-produced media parroting state-produced videos. "fog of war" and all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Fair enough, we all have to make our own judgments about sources. permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago so why spread lies? permalink fedilink source parent [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Here you go. But be warned, it is hard to read. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 permalink fedilink source parent [+] Colorcodedresistor@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, I agree with you. It's a tale as old as time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Song as old as rhyme permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Beeyu-tee aaaand...the Beeeast permalink fedilink source parent [+] SCB@lemmy.world -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) fucking oppressed palestinian people, how dare they resist genocide, right? There is no genocide of Palestinians. Less than 1% of Palestinians have been killed in this conflict permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: a. Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; b. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; c. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; d. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. I’m not totally convinced that this is Israel’s intent—most of what I’ve seen points to a brazen and sociopathic indifference typical of 7th graders and goofy “strongman” populists like Netanyahu alike—but the percentage of the population killed does not factor in determining whether it is genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They've killed 0.6% of the population, counting enemy militants. Gaza is 5x the density of Mosul, in which the US (who quite obviously was not committing genocide) killed ~10,000 civilians. Things can be shitty and not be genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, I really don’t to weigh in on whether or not it is genocide, if only because I’m not gonna change anybody’s opinion here. Alls I’m saying is that the qualifications for genocide do not include the destruction of the entire, or even the majority of, the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Any sane look at the situation makes it obvious it is not genocide permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And I’m still not trying to argue with you on that. I’m just saying that the numbers you’re citing do not support your case. There are most definitely situations where killing 0.6% of a population would be considered genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe, if they fit any of the other criteria, which Israel obviously does not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Please point to where I said anything explicitly disagreeing with that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* Raz Segal is an associate professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Stockton University and the endowed professor in the study of modern genocide. TIL A Jewish professor of Holocaust and genocide studies is insane. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago Let's not commit to hyperbole. Netty is just a manipulative ass who needs Israel distracted with another war permalink fedilink source parent
[+] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) I must have missed the memo where raping women to death, slicing off their tits, and mutilating their vaginas is classified as "resisting oppression". Hamas is bad. Very bad. Edit: I should have included the sauce. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) must have missed the memo where raping women to death, slicing off their tits, and mutilating their vaginas is classified as "resisting oppression". I missed the proof this happened permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) I did too, but what we do have proof of, in the form of hours and hours of grisly trauma-inducing footage, is quite bad enough. While we can rightly condemn its overuse, there is no universe in which the Israelis can be blamed for reacting with force. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sauce: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Video testimony of an eyewitness Police have privately shown journalists a single horrific testimony this isn't proof permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fog of war. All information about the war is provisional at this point. The full truth will come out eventually. In the meantime, I can at least believe that the BBC saw what they say they saw. If the footage itself was faked, we will find out at some point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) BBC saw what they say they saw the bbc saw someone claiming to see something. it's hearsay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, that's true, did you read my comment? Also, I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of news is hearsay. Only relatively few things are ever subjected to the level of scrutiny required by western courts of law. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) you'll forgive me if i don't believe state-produced media parroting state-produced videos. "fog of war" and all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Fair enough, we all have to make our own judgments about sources. permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago so why spread lies? permalink fedilink source parent [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Here you go. But be warned, it is hard to read. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 permalink fedilink source parent [+] Colorcodedresistor@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, I agree with you. It's a tale as old as time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Song as old as rhyme permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Beeyu-tee aaaand...the Beeeast permalink fedilink source parent
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) must have missed the memo where raping women to death, slicing off their tits, and mutilating their vaginas is classified as "resisting oppression". I missed the proof this happened permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) I did too, but what we do have proof of, in the form of hours and hours of grisly trauma-inducing footage, is quite bad enough. While we can rightly condemn its overuse, there is no universe in which the Israelis can be blamed for reacting with force. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sauce: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Video testimony of an eyewitness Police have privately shown journalists a single horrific testimony this isn't proof permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fog of war. All information about the war is provisional at this point. The full truth will come out eventually. In the meantime, I can at least believe that the BBC saw what they say they saw. If the footage itself was faked, we will find out at some point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) BBC saw what they say they saw the bbc saw someone claiming to see something. it's hearsay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, that's true, did you read my comment? Also, I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of news is hearsay. Only relatively few things are ever subjected to the level of scrutiny required by western courts of law. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) you'll forgive me if i don't believe state-produced media parroting state-produced videos. "fog of war" and all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Fair enough, we all have to make our own judgments about sources. permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago so why spread lies? permalink fedilink source parent [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Here you go. But be warned, it is hard to read. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) I did too, but what we do have proof of, in the form of hours and hours of grisly trauma-inducing footage, is quite bad enough. While we can rightly condemn its overuse, there is no universe in which the Israelis can be blamed for reacting with force. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sauce: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Video testimony of an eyewitness Police have privately shown journalists a single horrific testimony this isn't proof permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fog of war. All information about the war is provisional at this point. The full truth will come out eventually. In the meantime, I can at least believe that the BBC saw what they say they saw. If the footage itself was faked, we will find out at some point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) BBC saw what they say they saw the bbc saw someone claiming to see something. it's hearsay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, that's true, did you read my comment? Also, I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of news is hearsay. Only relatively few things are ever subjected to the level of scrutiny required by western courts of law. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) you'll forgive me if i don't believe state-produced media parroting state-produced videos. "fog of war" and all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Fair enough, we all have to make our own judgments about sources. permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago so why spread lies? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sauce: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Video testimony of an eyewitness Police have privately shown journalists a single horrific testimony this isn't proof permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fog of war. All information about the war is provisional at this point. The full truth will come out eventually. In the meantime, I can at least believe that the BBC saw what they say they saw. If the footage itself was faked, we will find out at some point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) BBC saw what they say they saw the bbc saw someone claiming to see something. it's hearsay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, that's true, did you read my comment? Also, I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of news is hearsay. Only relatively few things are ever subjected to the level of scrutiny required by western courts of law. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) you'll forgive me if i don't believe state-produced media parroting state-produced videos. "fog of war" and all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Fair enough, we all have to make our own judgments about sources. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Video testimony of an eyewitness Police have privately shown journalists a single horrific testimony this isn't proof permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fog of war. All information about the war is provisional at this point. The full truth will come out eventually. In the meantime, I can at least believe that the BBC saw what they say they saw. If the footage itself was faked, we will find out at some point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) BBC saw what they say they saw the bbc saw someone claiming to see something. it's hearsay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, that's true, did you read my comment? Also, I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of news is hearsay. Only relatively few things are ever subjected to the level of scrutiny required by western courts of law. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) you'll forgive me if i don't believe state-produced media parroting state-produced videos. "fog of war" and all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Fair enough, we all have to make our own judgments about sources. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fog of war. All information about the war is provisional at this point. The full truth will come out eventually. In the meantime, I can at least believe that the BBC saw what they say they saw. If the footage itself was faked, we will find out at some point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) BBC saw what they say they saw the bbc saw someone claiming to see something. it's hearsay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, that's true, did you read my comment? Also, I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of news is hearsay. Only relatively few things are ever subjected to the level of scrutiny required by western courts of law. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) you'll forgive me if i don't believe state-produced media parroting state-produced videos. "fog of war" and all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Fair enough, we all have to make our own judgments about sources. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) BBC saw what they say they saw the bbc saw someone claiming to see something. it's hearsay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, that's true, did you read my comment? Also, I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of news is hearsay. Only relatively few things are ever subjected to the level of scrutiny required by western courts of law. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) you'll forgive me if i don't believe state-produced media parroting state-produced videos. "fog of war" and all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Fair enough, we all have to make our own judgments about sources. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, that's true, did you read my comment? Also, I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of news is hearsay. Only relatively few things are ever subjected to the level of scrutiny required by western courts of law. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) you'll forgive me if i don't believe state-produced media parroting state-produced videos. "fog of war" and all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Fair enough, we all have to make our own judgments about sources. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) you'll forgive me if i don't believe state-produced media parroting state-produced videos. "fog of war" and all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Fair enough, we all have to make our own judgments about sources. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Fair enough, we all have to make our own judgments about sources. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago so why spread lies? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Here you go. But be warned, it is hard to read. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Colorcodedresistor@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, I agree with you. It's a tale as old as time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Song as old as rhyme permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Beeyu-tee aaaand...the Beeeast permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, I agree with you. It's a tale as old as time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Song as old as rhyme permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Beeyu-tee aaaand...the Beeeast permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ripcord@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Song as old as rhyme permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Beeyu-tee aaaand...the Beeeast permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Beeyu-tee aaaand...the Beeeast permalink fedilink source parent
[+] SCB@lemmy.world -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) fucking oppressed palestinian people, how dare they resist genocide, right? There is no genocide of Palestinians. Less than 1% of Palestinians have been killed in this conflict permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: a. Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; b. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; c. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; d. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. I’m not totally convinced that this is Israel’s intent—most of what I’ve seen points to a brazen and sociopathic indifference typical of 7th graders and goofy “strongman” populists like Netanyahu alike—but the percentage of the population killed does not factor in determining whether it is genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They've killed 0.6% of the population, counting enemy militants. Gaza is 5x the density of Mosul, in which the US (who quite obviously was not committing genocide) killed ~10,000 civilians. Things can be shitty and not be genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, I really don’t to weigh in on whether or not it is genocide, if only because I’m not gonna change anybody’s opinion here. Alls I’m saying is that the qualifications for genocide do not include the destruction of the entire, or even the majority of, the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Any sane look at the situation makes it obvious it is not genocide permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And I’m still not trying to argue with you on that. I’m just saying that the numbers you’re citing do not support your case. There are most definitely situations where killing 0.6% of a population would be considered genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe, if they fit any of the other criteria, which Israel obviously does not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Please point to where I said anything explicitly disagreeing with that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* Raz Segal is an associate professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Stockton University and the endowed professor in the study of modern genocide. TIL A Jewish professor of Holocaust and genocide studies is insane. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: a. Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; b. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; c. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; d. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. I’m not totally convinced that this is Israel’s intent—most of what I’ve seen points to a brazen and sociopathic indifference typical of 7th graders and goofy “strongman” populists like Netanyahu alike—but the percentage of the population killed does not factor in determining whether it is genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They've killed 0.6% of the population, counting enemy militants. Gaza is 5x the density of Mosul, in which the US (who quite obviously was not committing genocide) killed ~10,000 civilians. Things can be shitty and not be genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, I really don’t to weigh in on whether or not it is genocide, if only because I’m not gonna change anybody’s opinion here. Alls I’m saying is that the qualifications for genocide do not include the destruction of the entire, or even the majority of, the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Any sane look at the situation makes it obvious it is not genocide permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And I’m still not trying to argue with you on that. I’m just saying that the numbers you’re citing do not support your case. There are most definitely situations where killing 0.6% of a population would be considered genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe, if they fit any of the other criteria, which Israel obviously does not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Please point to where I said anything explicitly disagreeing with that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* Raz Segal is an associate professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Stockton University and the endowed professor in the study of modern genocide. TIL A Jewish professor of Holocaust and genocide studies is insane. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] SCB@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They've killed 0.6% of the population, counting enemy militants. Gaza is 5x the density of Mosul, in which the US (who quite obviously was not committing genocide) killed ~10,000 civilians. Things can be shitty and not be genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, I really don’t to weigh in on whether or not it is genocide, if only because I’m not gonna change anybody’s opinion here. Alls I’m saying is that the qualifications for genocide do not include the destruction of the entire, or even the majority of, the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Any sane look at the situation makes it obvious it is not genocide permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And I’m still not trying to argue with you on that. I’m just saying that the numbers you’re citing do not support your case. There are most definitely situations where killing 0.6% of a population would be considered genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe, if they fit any of the other criteria, which Israel obviously does not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Please point to where I said anything explicitly disagreeing with that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* Raz Segal is an associate professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Stockton University and the endowed professor in the study of modern genocide. TIL A Jewish professor of Holocaust and genocide studies is insane. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, I really don’t to weigh in on whether or not it is genocide, if only because I’m not gonna change anybody’s opinion here. Alls I’m saying is that the qualifications for genocide do not include the destruction of the entire, or even the majority of, the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Any sane look at the situation makes it obvious it is not genocide permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And I’m still not trying to argue with you on that. I’m just saying that the numbers you’re citing do not support your case. There are most definitely situations where killing 0.6% of a population would be considered genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe, if they fit any of the other criteria, which Israel obviously does not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Please point to where I said anything explicitly disagreeing with that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* Raz Segal is an associate professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Stockton University and the endowed professor in the study of modern genocide. TIL A Jewish professor of Holocaust and genocide studies is insane. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] SCB@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Any sane look at the situation makes it obvious it is not genocide permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And I’m still not trying to argue with you on that. I’m just saying that the numbers you’re citing do not support your case. There are most definitely situations where killing 0.6% of a population would be considered genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe, if they fit any of the other criteria, which Israel obviously does not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Please point to where I said anything explicitly disagreeing with that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* Raz Segal is an associate professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Stockton University and the endowed professor in the study of modern genocide. TIL A Jewish professor of Holocaust and genocide studies is insane. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And I’m still not trying to argue with you on that. I’m just saying that the numbers you’re citing do not support your case. There are most definitely situations where killing 0.6% of a population would be considered genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe, if they fit any of the other criteria, which Israel obviously does not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Please point to where I said anything explicitly disagreeing with that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SCB@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe, if they fit any of the other criteria, which Israel obviously does not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Please point to where I said anything explicitly disagreeing with that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Please point to where I said anything explicitly disagreeing with that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* Raz Segal is an associate professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Stockton University and the endowed professor in the study of modern genocide. TIL A Jewish professor of Holocaust and genocide studies is insane. permalink fedilink source parent